!rant

Do any German Devs on here have a good example Arbeitszeugnis?

One of my previous employers basically said "write your own and we'll sign it".

I've never seen one, I'm not a native speaker and from what I understand there are a lot of subtleties to be careful of.

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Unfortunately, I think employers are looking for a bit more detail :)

A lot of employers do the exact same thing, that's why the arbeitszeugnis isn't worth much anymore.
But what is worth something, is your experience. Be sure that you write in that resume on what important projects you worked on and what your role was.

@plusgut yeah, I'm continually surprised at the cultural differences in C.V.s (résumés).

For example, that you're expected to have a photo in a German CV seems very weird to me.

You could google for some generator / template. Maybe ask HR if they have some document or at least can provide some support on this subject.

I once had access to a document that contained a mapping of different aspects (skills, social, personal etc) mapped to marks (very good ... very bad) and the resulting phrase to use. And yes, differences are very subtile (the notion could decline by removing or adding one word)

@DasKoder it's weird for lots of germans too :D

But in general the whole candidature process is broken in my opinion.

@Picard using a generator is a bad idea, generic bullshit will gain you nothing.

@plusgut sure it does. It covers the necessary subjects and states the evaluation. Future employers can then „decode“ that. This covers stuff like punctuality, social behavior, reliability, quality of work and so on.

Ofc, you add some more personal gibberish around (task descriptions, role in the company etc)

As said, the wording is a dangerous minefield. And don’t get me wrong: I‘m not saying that I find this practice a good one nor am I defending it. Just trying to give some advice.

@Picard if you just cover the necessities, your resume is worth just the bare minimum.
As stated before, the important thing is that you have proof on what projects you worked for in which roles and what you did there.
And of course the wording has it's meaning, but it's not as important as most people claim. Especially not in IT.

@plusgut

I think we‘re talking about different subjects: the topic was about the „letter of recommendation“ („Arbeitszeugnis“) that you receive when you leave a company, not the CV you use for applying.

@Picard yep that's what I am talking about too. That's why I said, its function is to be *proof*, of what you did.

@picard @plusgut thanks for the info. I think I'm best served by finding a professional CV reviewer to look over what I've got and they can do the Arbeitszeugnis as well...

If you are supposed to write it yourself, at least do it in your working hours.

Your employer is forced by law to provide you one.
(German Dev here)

Not entirely correct. The employer is only forced to do so if you ask for it (which should be done in the letter of resignation)

If you still want some help regarding the Arbeitszeugnis feel free to drop me an email at dk@devland.de
Perhaps we can work something out together.

you're very lucky!
Do you have a zwischenzeugnis?
i would recommend you hire some executive/manager level hr company to write you a phenomenal arbeitszeugnis.