WTF IS WITH ALL THESE MESSAGING SERVICES... ALL NEED TO LOGIN OR VERIFY USING MY PHONE. WHAT IS IT'S LOST OR BROKEN....

DUMBASS IDIOTS....

.... so my phone has to be on even after ive verified? wtf is this for.....

Alright... guess ill ask... Discord, Telegram.... are these any better?

I guess thats because of whatsapp's e2e-encryption. Appearently it's easier to get the data from your phone to the webpage than to add the website as client and do the encryption there (remember, the server can't decrypt messages).

I really like discord and my experiences with telegram were good. Personally i don't like telegram, but it works. I recommend you signal instead of telegram, both only need your phone number to register, and discord only needs an email-address or nothing if you chose to use an temporary account

@YouAreAPIRate thanks so with one is basically the new AIM? cuz this is just fuckin annoying, i dont care which device i sign in with... just let me sign in. at worst use 2FA and send me an email.

@billgates i never used aim so i don't know.

AOL Instant Messenger? so guess ur pretty young and thats what the uint5-age means.

so both telegram and signal lock u into your # but discord uses email? (and i guess you can change it).

The thing is i just dont want to be locked into 1 number or need my phone everytime i want to login from somewhere.

@billgates i recommend discord then, i for example use the app and the desktop-client, sometimes the web-client too. Messages are synced between all devices instantly and you have to authenticate only once (i think discord has 2fa but you said you dont need it)

thanks will take a look... though i guess still need my team to switch...

but yea in general i just dont understand wtf is with everyones obsession with typing everything to a single phone #....

thats probably the dumbest and easiest way to get locked out and lose all your contacts at once...

@billgates i forgot my pin lately, shortly after that i had 3 wrong tries and was locked out. Luckily i found the puk and was able to unlock my sim card again, otherwise my phone would have been rendered unuseable.

I don't like it to have everything tied to my phone number either, but it is the easiest way for apps to verify users and make sure no one creates too many accounts. I dont know how to do it better so i'll stick to what there is now.

@YouAreAPIRate who cares how many accounts you create. If they're scared of bots just check the ips and there always email verification...

@billgates configure an email server to move every incoming mail into one inbox, use electron/phantomjs to automate the registration and use proxies/tor/vpn's to get new ip addresses. Et voila, you got a bunch of accounts.
If there's a captcha you can use an intern and you will still be able to register a large amount of bots.

@YouAreAPIRate great but why would the service care? It's just 1 row in a table...

@billgates imagine being a spammer. You send people ads for viagra, cheap smartphones etc... Let's assume it takes ~4 days for the service to find out and lock your account. If the service authenticates you by your phone number you need a new sim card every few days. I don't know how lucrative the spammer life is, but that would definitely put a dent in your profits. If you authenticate via email there are no costs, only profits. And zuul.

@YouAreAPIRate hmm.... Build a spam filter like GMail

@billgates then you're stuck maintaining your anti-spam engine and fighting the war against the spammer.

You see the advantage of tying your account to your phone number.
But you could require a phone number to create an account and let the user add an email-address and a password so they can use it like a normal website-account. You would need to login via phone every few weeks to continuosly validate your phone number but that shouldn't be a problem.
Sadly i've never seen someone implementing this mechanism.