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I would have helped them anyway. Would have gotten the good old "told you so" moment and earned some respect instead of becoming someones enemy.
Teamwork and positive relationships are much more valuable than individual successes. Specially in school: Friends can get you a great job opportunities in future, a single good grade doesn't mean shit in few months. -
@ClySuva No way. He needs to get the teacher's respect, not the looser teammate's. Teammates don't set your grades.
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@gurumeditation I am not saying he doesn't need to get teachers respect. But the thing is, grades matter very little in long term.
Relationships and teamwork are much more valuable. It's good idea to learn it early on and you will be much more successful, both in your education and in your career. -
@ClySuva Totally agree with you on this.
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@ClySuva But there are certain students who do not understand this, as you yourself have mentioned. Hence the author being thrown under the bus when his friend is asked about the issue with the project.
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@ClySuva there is honestly no value in having a relationship with people like him, he ended up dropping out after one year because he did not have enough credits to be allowed to stay.
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@bahua Exactly.
The thing is, in the real life, the responsible of the project (Your boss, PM, PO, etc) won't care. If the project it's not done for the due date, no git log will save you. Any of you. -
If you've been assigned to complete a project as part of a team, then your fate is sealed, with regard to the skills and work ethic of your teammates. The team's results will either reflect the incompetence of the least of you, or the leadership of the best of you. In the real world, upper management don't care and don't have time to look at the microscopic politics in project teams. All they see is whether the project was a success or a failure. And they are the ones who decide your fate.
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@stacked where is the teamwork in not listening and causing problems that would not be if you did...
Avoiding problems is better then fixing them, and way less time consuming.
Can't afford to waste time since I'm going to school full time and also working full time -
I was just pointing out the fact that, if the professor doesn't value teamwork, like in this case, then there's no point in group projects.
Personally speaking, I never learned anything from formal education, except perhaps how naive and inexperienced certain professors can be. This example is just another proof of what I've always seen. -
@stacked Sometimes professors are lazy and just want to evaluate 4 projects instead of 16. But that's just stupid. You form groups, you evaluate groups.
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People who think they should grade all members of a team as a group are quite dumb I think because. You can grade people on their contribution. In the workplace not everyone gets equal pay, because not everyone is as valuable as someone else.
and also if someone keeps messing up they will eventually be fired they don't fire the entire team.
When your car is broken you don't replace the entire car, you fix the part that is broken.
In this case that was the individual this rant was about -
@wiwe2210 yeap BUT that is when you take action BEFORE releasing the product.
If you have a problem with a fellow dev, and they don't seem to be willing to change it, you may go talk to.your supervisor about it, and they get changed/fired.
But doing it when releasing the product is not right. Is like telling "this is crap and it's because of him or her!"
That's just stupid. Part of the teamwork that should be evaluated is the ability of detecting the problems even when the problems is part of the team, and how the team deal with it. -
@ClySuva that's all fine and dandy if you want to work with jackasses who don't know the difference between [insert lang feature 1] to [insert lang feature 2]
During a random school project.
Me: *Explains why team members idea is bad*
Team member: *Im going to do it like this anyways.*
Me: *add explaination of why idea is bad to git commit log.*
1 week later: some parts of the project dont work like they are suppost to.
Team member: *dude can you help me bla bla....(encounters issue i mentioned regarding his idea)*
Me: *no, i've already got too much on my plate. please, sort it out yourself....*
At the presentation
Teacher: *ask question about problem*
Team member: *tries to blame the problem on me....*
Me: *shows git commit log to teacher*
Me: *passing grade*
Team member: *failing grade*
Justice served.
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