What would you do?

2 job offers...

Job #1 a big sports betting company as a junior software developer with a salary of 22k plus a yearly bonus of 10%

Also uncapped holidays

Or

Job #2
A small IT company with 2 other developers with a salary of 19.5k working on multiple projects and being instantly promoted to mid level developer, also a signing bonus after 3 months of a high end surface laptop.

Go with the big sports company, small companies will drain your power for nothing, just three devs is nothing and you will suffer.

That bonus they have at the IT company is just to attract devs but actual work worth nothing tbh.

Go with the big guys, get experience then choose your next destination, don't start out with the small ones or they will drain your power without any benefit other than that surface, which is pretty much worthless when your needs are not satisfied :)

P sure you can get a surface for the extra money at the other company

Interview works in Both Way.
Ask as Many question as You can to be sure Where to go, and try to meet the team and your possible coworkers.

I'd go for #1.

But, Ask for sample codes from their code base maybe? Know if their workflow sucks, check the working environment, etc..

Otherwise, we'll see you rant here more often 😂✌️

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#2 ...if you are just starting out 2.5k may not make a big impact on your paycheck given the taxes but #2 will give you the freedom to do a lot more than #1 which ends up being called "experience".

but if you are experienced then go with #1

#1 every day

Job #2 just offered to match job #1 after I said no, hmmmm

Strange that #2 will give you title as job bonus. Unless you are actually mid level developer.

And, go with #1, you can always go and find another small IT company (or make your own)

I should mention I was previously employed at job #2 at a point in time for over a year

@0x29A so, are you happy there? Is in-house is not tonic?

@andrejus I was happy there, I enjoyed my work, but I had a lot of trouble with another employee that was above me so I left, now as per the terms of my return I answer directly to the ceo only and have no contact with the other employee unless needed. So I’m a bit meh on what to do

@0x29A hmm, that changes situation a bit.

In this case, I would choose #2, but only in written part about direct reports to ceo. Everythink should be in contract about your contract conditions (I think work stuff is different from EU ones in your case)

It really depends on your objectives! Go with the most challenging one that you will learn and evolve your skills in I think.

If you are young and are wondering about the possibility of someday going freelance or doing your own startup, go with #2 for the learning experience.

Otherwise go for #1.

@MobiusDerp I’m 22, and not sure where I want to go other than up with learning along the way, this place is defo good to learn

@gitpush I disagree. I kinda have been in the same situation and I chose the smaller company. Now I'm 1 of 3 devs and I like it. Way more freedom. The big company wasn't in on any negotiations and the work there just sucked - porting black box legacy apps without knowing what they're doing...

So it's just a matter of what you want. Salary is important it being happy is better. Some people like to work with huge teams some like smaller ones..

@scroach it is not about freedom or work conditions, it is about experience, he said he is junior, so either he is too young (early 20s) or just started programming, if he is the later, yes small company is better for starting, else in his age he better be after experience, better salary comes later.

But if the big company in his case really have a bad environment then ya he better work at the smaller one, else he'd be losing out a lot.

I've worked in small and big companies, currently I'm in a startup yes I have total freedom but zero experience learned from there other than business rules of a particular system.

As for big companies yes almost zero freedom but a loooot to learn, even though I was working on improving a system that has been around 6 years before I joined and had barely any clue what it does but at least I got to see how systems with that size are designed and learned a lot from it.

He ain't gonna be there for a life time, starting there wouldn't harm

@0x29A "Job #2 just offered to match job #1 after I said no, hmmmm" not sure about your country but if that happens to me here (Lebanon) I'd refuse for sure because:

1. They want to get the most out of the least

2. They already saw your work and know it worth more than they offered

3. They for sure asked you about the second offer thus offering the same, this leads back to:

As long as he is not talking about it, lets keep the salary/offer as is

Yes people negotiate, but in the end they are a small company and not specialized in software, you have no future there.

While that betting company they rely on their website, mobile apps (if any) ..etc, they aren't going to send people to houses and collect the betting

@gitpush job #2 is where I started out, it’s the reason why I am at the level I am today and to be completely honest I learnt a hell of a lot more in my stay there than I did anywhere else, I’m thinking about accepting it as he’s accepted my terms and provided everything gets put into a contract then I don’t see anything wrong with seeing how it goes, I’ll always have a fallback option and maybe even more offers on the future, it’s just all about the risks at this time IMO.

@0x29A it is up to you you know best.

If that is the case then go for it, you are still young go with them for a year see where it goes, but take my advice, if a two years pass and you learn nothing then move on, but in the end you know best it is your life not mine to be able to judge.

Wish you all the best :)

@gitpush Yes that’s my plan I appreciate he advice and good luck to you too

22k/year? Is this 22k US currency or another country's currency?

Also, if these jobs are in the US, I believe I know the name of Job 1.

Either way, I'll go for where I think I can grow and improve my skills based on their available resources.

@suprano not us currency and not a us job just so you know

Forgot to mention job 1 is 5 min walk from home and job 2 is 25 mins commufe🙄😂

@0x29A ah, alright cos 22k/yr in the US won't do you any good. 5 mins away from work, you are you going to call out? Lol

Wasn’t sure myself until you mentioned the surface. Go with the first.