People who claims "XXX is slow" should put screenshots of:

- CPU/MEM stats
- Task bar in full, to see how much crap is in background
- Desktop, to see how clean your computer is

If you don't have i7/16GB or you install gazillion of background apps, then your "slow" argument is simply not valid.

and a screenshot of "chrome://extensions" or "about:addons"..

People still tries to prove that slow is not depending on the load. People still love to launch 500 apps, 200 chrome tabs and expect everything to work smoothly.

I've seen many developers that started complaining that their pc is very slow... All it took was to force quit browser with 150+++ tabs and magically the pc runs very well.

@potata also developers tends to run everything locally. Running IDE, your buggy app in Debug mode, Spotify, Chrome, AV and Virtualbox/Docker altogether (Even empty docker for Windows spawns Linux VM under the hood) can be slow. Add some NFS/Samba over the top and you will have painful experience :)

@alkuzad I've been in that spot myself... Was running homestead + a lot of different apps + phpstorm and felt like I'm lagging behind quite a lot... Got rid of the homestead and trying to replace phpstorm - that really speed up the pc and response times for me... :) Unfortunately, developing webs for example via remote server is a bit of a pain in the ass with the upload process :/

@potata I was developing Ruby on Rails app that was so monolithic that running it locally was very challenging. I found out Unison (https://cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/...) that kept my local files in sync with dev server and viceversa (to read logs and etc.).

So nowadays an i7 cpu and 16GB of ram are the minimum specs required if you want a "normal" computing experience?
Why the fuck do we still have i5 and i3 then? Why do we still sell 8GB sticks of ram or less?
Are we really that used to wasting resources that this is considered "normal" now?

You need a reality check

just gonna leave this here..
http://tonsky.me/blog/...

@nitwhiz brilliant :D

@irene Show me your desktop, I will show you what person u re :D This kind of attitude, if you have 3yo files all over the place, it's unlikely that you clean your PC from time to time :)

And I was sitting here thinking about how fast a raspberry Pi 3 is.

@vlatkozelka no homo ;)

@endor lol 32 is minimum /s

@potata Ive have 200 chrome tabs and 50 programs running on one PC and it was smooth.

@icycrash That depends on the pc :) If your pc is capable of doing so - then it's fine. Mostly, people try to do that with i3 cpu, max 8GB of ram and bloatwared software :)

@irene my personal PC is. The little I was screwing around with at work last week was threadripper and 64 gb of ram and I doubled the number.

@irene little pc

@irene it was little it was a micro atx build.

@irene beefy in a compact size. My personal one is a ryzen 7 1700 work 16 gb of ram.

@irene because at my last job I was making more money then I knew what to do with and I wanted 8 cores.

When I see Facebook take 30 seconds to load the page while the motherfucking websites and the Brutalist Design website takes milliseconds, I can't help but think that the former is slow as shit. Even on mobile! Ever gone to a Facebook page on the mobile website and seen it render each little section of the page in something like 2 seconds? What should take, what, 5 seconds at most for anything that'd be halfway decently designed? And less than a second for something that's designed with performance in mind? Or even the browser itself for that matter. Why should a web browser take over a GB of RAM and a shitton of CPU resources, just to play a YouTube video and keep a handful of other tabs (say, a dozen or so) in the background?

And what makes you think that an i7 and 16GB of RAM is the norm? Shitty software remains shitty software, regardless of how much hardware you throw at it. I'd say quite the contrary to your statement there actually.. constraints are an amazing thing. Ever seen a WRT router? They run an entire operating system on mere megabytes of RAM. Even my own best attempt at embedded systems took 13MB.. yet the real embedded systems where there simply isn't so much RAM available can settle with 4. 4 fucking megabytes to run an entire system - commandline, sure, but that is day and night in difference when compared to regular workstations and the software that's being published for that. That should be the norm, instead of quick and dirty hacks and a bazillion frameworks.

Edit: Actually I just recalled that WRT systems do have a web interface. So in that 4MB of RAM, the developers of dd-wrt, OpenWRT or what have you even managed to jam in a webserver! I think that's amazing.

Another edit: After looking real quick on Wikipedia I found that the WRT54GL actually has 16MB of RAM and 4MB of flash.. my bad. That said, try to stuff Windows, or Facebook, or a web browser in there!

It depends on the software but if a messaging app/a CRUD software or anything which isn’t heavy duty professional software runs badly even on an i3 with 4GB of RAM and the computer isn’t overloaded with open programs/tabs it’s the developer to blame.
Take Microsoft Teams as an example, it isn’t justified which he lags even on an i3 when Windows Live Messenger was snappy in performing the same tasks on a pentium.

@Condor I couldn’t state it better, cheapskate companies or lazy developers which wants to do everything with Electron and some FrankenFramework on top cannot blame the user, not everyone has replacing their PC each 2 years with top tyre hardware as their priority and don’t let me get started on planned obsolescence and e-waste.