Attended my first 24h+ hackathon at @cyanide's college.
Our team got a special mention for being the best all women team.
Wait.
There was just one all women team.
Fucking!
Embarassing!
Seriously!

Embarrassing? No! You must be proud. You were an all-women team, and that is why the special mention.

The "best" was a little extra, though.

The best when there is only one of its kind, that comes across a bit mocking.

@Cyanide and why must an all women team get a special mention?
In that way any team that does anything at my College should get a special mention because all teams will be all women.
The best all women team still makes sense if there were more than 1 teams. It was given away last year as well.
They weren't giving away the prize this time ,but one of the judge wanted to.
We would never know if we got the special prize because one of the judge liked our project,or because it was an all women team 🤦

@Fast-Nop exactly!! Maybe it was a slip of tongue or whatever.
The certificate doesn't say "best all women team"
It says "special mention" .

Btw., that reminds me of an old joke when the commies were still the bad guys. The US President and the USSR Premier performed a car race. The Soviet newspaper "Pravda" reported the result: "Our beloved Premier landed an honourable second place while the US President ended up next to last."

@norman70688 yeah.

@norman70688 govt initiative to promote women in engineering, because it was probably close to null, 20 year ago ,in this part of the world.
Have explained in some thread why an all women uni makes sense here.

@irene
In a country like India, its worth calling it out, to welcome more women into tech, into development. To check people who say woman can't do something.

@ceee well done. Best wishes. Attend more and more hackathons and meetups. Also, as you are in a career starting time, don't join shit company..! Pick a boss, don't pick a job!

@-BSD @irene Also, India is a country where women are resected.

yatra nāryastu pūjyante ramante tatra devatāḥ| yatraitāstu na pūjyante sarvāstatrāphalāḥ kriyāḥ ||

yatra naaryastu puujyante ramante tatra devataaH |yatraitaastu na puujyante sarvaastatraaphalaaH kriyaaH ||

Which translates to
The divine are extremely happy where women are respected ;where they are not, all actions (projects) are fruitless.

Also, India is a country, where people gathered in hundreds, hundreds and hundreds and killed one person, and his entire empire just because he touched a women (Ramayana)

Also, India is a country, where 1 billion 660 million 20 thousand men were perished because one women was humiliated.

I don't know how come it became a part of roots of India!

@irene are you from India?
Well, I would say perception. Nothing is wrong.

@irene You dont respect your toys. You play with your toys!

@irene wait, Why are we arguing?
I'm feeling sad, because I dont know that sexist is in roots of India. And people think it is.

Cause, we respect women! Like basically everyone (mostly anywhere in the world as far as I know, or at least in India), to abuses women in our family to scold men. Because if they scold men directly, they don't really bother.

But if they scold their women, they react. They don't bear that. That's the amount of respect we give. It is applicable everywhere and in India as well.

@irene so you are saying, women are treated as toys back then?

@irene bottom line, you should really read some Vedas.

What did you guys made

@irene that's exactly how we felt for a moment.

@gowtham-sai Imma agree with @irene on this.

@notAnkur rants even remotely related to sexism lead to a long thread full of thoughtful discussion.

@gowtham-sai thanks for the advice. I'd remember it

That's the soft bigotry of low expectations, sexist imho. Best luck next time I hope you win so when they say "they won and they are all women! :D" you tell them the truth that you are not a "female" team, you are a team and you won on merit basis.

@ceee i meant in the hackathon

@ceee
IMHO I strongly agree with you @irene and everyone else as a matter fact on *Best practice is not to mention Gender*.

And as the above one stands true, at this point of time, as per situations in India,
Calling it out (to outside world, basically people who are outside hackathon, to media) also important in order to encourage more women to participate.

In simple English model,
If the calling out is about -> Only one team is full of women, -> this is wrong
Calling out is about -> lot of women participated in the 24+ hackathon, come join us -> this is right! And much needed in India!

@notAnkur 🤣 3hr sleep in 30 hr that's how i read stuff.
Nothing fancy really basic stuff.
Our theme was women safety.
We focused on safe commutation.
data analysis + android app (bunch of features, can go in details if you wisb😅)

@gowtham-sai I understand if the issue is women who want to go into IT can't or aren't allowed but I don't get why we need to equalize the number of dicks and vaginas for number's sake.

@JKyll to have safe hex

@norman70688
Thought of replying with exact same thing..

But then I have to explain why diversity is required, how it matters? How it helps and bunch of stuff. So ignored!

@gowtham-sai @irene 😂 I would agree if it were a party but college hardly is (at least I IT fields were you hardly get time to sleep)

@norman70688 diversity for diversity sakes is just as dumb. People in free societies should be able to make their choices based on their own preferences and capabilities, not their genitals.

@norman70688 Diversity doesn't matter. It's not equality of outcome that matters, it's equality of opportunity. It's OK if there are only 5% women in tech - if the other 95% aren't kept out, but simply don't want. That's their freedom of choice.

@norman70688 not all fields. You never hear something about the lack of women in construction working, welding, soldering, sewer and road works. I.e. hard, dangerous and low paid jobs.

It's only about well paid jobs. Of course the stock shareholders want more supply on the job market because the usual law of supply, demand and price will drive down the salary. That's what the big companies are after.

@Fast-Nop this, the idea that companies care about "inclusion" is just misguided.

@norman70688 of course, but here comes the rub. In the US, where this whole thing started, you don't get education if you are born into a poor family. It's only middle class upwards. Since the politicians don't want to change the overall system, how do you get more people from the middle+ class into these jobs? You run stats and find out that correlated by gender, there's a huge pool of additional people whom you could funnel into these areas, and then you cater for this group that makes up 50% of each birth cohort.

@norman70688 because the gender paygap is a myth anyway that is caused by different choice of professions and more part time work. You don't get the same work with the same qualification cheaper by hiring a woman. You can bet that profit driven companies would long have fired all men if it were otherwise.

@norman70688 that being said, the situation for @ceee is a bit different; the problem over there is that things aren't like in Western countries where women have been able to freely choose their profession for decades.

And in India, if they get more actually competent women into tech, and the most clueless say 10% of male devs fall out of the industry, that would certainly contribute to raising the product quality.

@Fast-Nop in India isn't expected of women to go into medicine and healthcare or is it just a meme?🤔

@JKyll not sure, I'll leave that for @ceee to answer; but the country is really complex. You have areas like Electronic City in Bangalore, quite modern. And then rural areas that are somewhere in the middle ages, also with their customs and values.

Wow great!

I'm tye only girl in my class's section and my group always gets the most diverse coders mentions in class.

Yeah.

@JKyll kinda meme 😅 but the sex ratio in a medical school is slightly better than engineering schools

@ceee @irene Woah. Hey. I was not in-charge. I was just trying to find a reason for that special mention.

@kitsune wow!
@Cyanide ofcourse you weren't 🤣
The judge wanted to give us mentorship and incubation opportunity, because the theme was related to her field. But for some reason it was announced best all women team 🙂

@DudeDeveloper dude, I would in no way want to portray my country in bad way ,but, are you kidding me ? Such denial,much wow. Do you ever go beyond your house ?
Trying to be a patriot in here ? Bashing at someone making no sense ?
There are a hundred million things great about our country, the whole women scene isn't one of them.
And who are you to stop another person from saying something. They'd say whatever they wish to. You wanna prove em wrong,give examples ,say something substantial.

@gowtham-sai to @practiseSafeHex? 🤔

@Condor @gowtham-sai

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hhhmmm I mentioned something similar to that a few weeks ago ... pretty stalker-ish if he remembers that and is tagging me. Lets keep looking just in case

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... you ... used my namesake as a joke? ... without my consent?

One is not amused!

@practiseSafeHex oh come on, please don't send me to @hell for repurposing tags 🙃

@ceee why most of your rants are full of tonnes of comments. Some people gets triggered for no reason and the place looks like battlefield of WW3

Don't worry @Condor , that's not the reason for your admittance.

@retard idk man 🤣
But seriously it becomes a freaking battle field.

@practiseSafeHex @Condor what's going on ?
I feel sorry for you guys if you had to go through this thread. It's a fucking mess.

@ceee it was an interesting read actually 🙂 Indian culture never fails to intrigue me.

@Condor it intrigues me as well.
Btw you are about to reach 26K again, it's only been a few months !😮

@ceee yeah 😁 almost there!!

@vishesh agreed! This is just like the freaking reservation system. We don't give two shits about caste system. But because of the stupid reservation system most general people loath the undeserving people getting things instead of them. It doesn't help,it just deepens the differentiation further.
Gosh I bought this convo from women vs men ,to shitty casteism. 🤣
Btw yes offence, to anyone who is offended.

@irene isn't that sex based differentiation ?
I am talking about the caste system of India. It's one of the worst things about the country.

@irene technically it is, but our constitution states sex and caste seperately when talking about discrimination or differentiation, so I am talking in that sense.

I mean well for both parties, but this situation sounds like when I approached Gitlab to sponsor a tech event in my college, they said they only sponsor events that promote diversity.

Is an Indian college promoting coding culture not diverse enough for you? smh

@ceee the cast system is actually not an Indian thing, if you know what I mean

@ausername I mean the Indian caste system ?

This is such a long thread..;
I guess he means casting in programming 😛;

@ceee afaik its specific to Hinduism

@ceee IGDTU?

@sniped-sippet 😂 lol yeh. Were you there,participating ?