Heard about the microchipping of people in Sweden. People voluntarily do it. Why the hell people are so dumb that they want to get microchips inside their body. It is so disappointing that our society is becoming dumber.

Give me 3 reasons against getting chipped

I wouldnt wo it personally but i can see how convenient it is. Plus you can just take it out before you turn to a life of crime, its basically the same tag you would put in a dog

@ganjaman
1. magnets
2. criminals
3. facebook

😂

@bioDan magnets dont react with rfid chips as far as i know, the other 2 make absolutely no sense

Honestly I'd love to be able to pay, check into public transport and unlock restricted areas with just my arm or my hand. Also I would never lose my chipcards and don't have to worry about forgettimg them.

For those reasons and functionalities I'd take one as well

@ganjaman rfid chips dont need batteries precisely because they are activated by magnetic fields.

In the future i assume criminals will chop a bodypart to rob you.

Facebook as a joke about how corporations invade your privacy today. Wait till they have access to your chip..

@bioDan i dont know much about rfids, but what does a magnet do to them? They dont store data like hdds, so it should be fine right?

Stealing cards or a wallet is easier than hacking a limb off, also how would they use it? You still need some kinda verification to use nfc bank cards.

@ganjaman the magnet powers the chip. Instead of having a battery, the proximity of the magnetic field generated by the rfid chip and the rfid reciever is what powers the rfid chip to make the initial connection.

I agree with you that it's much easier for a robber to steal a wallet than to penetrate a body part. But as you probably know, there ain't no rest for the wicked, and some people have nothing to loose
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Only complete gormless douchebags allow and entertain the idea of being injected with a digital implant. Rfids are extensions of human devolution, people are slowly becoming dumber because tech has evolved soo much around them. Ppl don't realise that they are being manipulated when they are told you are too stupid to get your life together - here let this chip hold all your important details about you.

@Alice true, and not even for their money or identification theft. It can also be just out of hatred or revenge, chop that part and throw it in the nearest volcano pit 🌋

Reasons to reject this:

1. Social engineering and conditioning of ppl manipulating human behaviour.
2. Integration with identity
3. Integration with banking
3.1 when cashless takes over cash
4. Integration with healthcare
5. Integration with social credit and benefit and welfare systems.
5.1 govt handouts may or may not be enough to sustain you.
6. Integration with transport.
7. Rfid is not known to be a secure - passports have been known to be hack able.

Reason to support it:

1. True anonymous integration with blockchain technology.
1.1 where personal privacy and identity is protected as a human right.

@AngryFatman dont you happen to have a few plastic cards with rfids that you carry everywhere and hold all your data?

Also how is organization a devolution?

@ganjaman you can leave your plastic cards at home if you want. That's definitely an advantage over a chip implant, that you always have with you, whether you want to or not.

On the other hand, you'll never end up having forgotten that one important card you need *now* on the kitchen table...

@dudeking maybe you are talking about active tags that can be read hundred of meters accross the rfid readers which require a battery source.

I am talking about the passive rfid tags that are more commonly used in ID cards and which, afaik, are similar to the ones being transplanted.

They all work within a radio frequency, but we were discussing the power source and its affiliation to magnets.

secure data storage in their hand.

i'd absolutely put Hiren's on that bitch

(i'd need a USB reader for it so i might as well just use a USB stick but goddamn it'd be cool)

also all this talk about tech in people's bodies being privacy violators and easy to steal and such:

there's literally a huge group dedicated to this practice and they've been around forever.
people have been putting microchips, magnets, RFID tags and even entire sensor arrays into themselves BY THEMSELVES. look up "biohacking" (or don't, it's actually kinda grotesquely detailed in some instances what they do to themselves in videos and such)

@bioDan So with a magnet you can induce some amount of electricity.
And what's the problem here? That you could destroy them with high power electro magnetic fields? I probably could do the same with your phone or other cards you have with you. As the chips are put in isolating plastic tubes, the risk of an electrical shock for the person being affected is very low.

@irene that's a hard negative right there!

@sbiewald true, but with enough chips in your body i can glue you to a large enough magnet 👹

Granted they are illegal for consumers..

@irene block chain can be implemented with privacy in mind but its not easy and depends on the use case.

Also depends on which manual you are referring to. Lend me your BS manual plz?

@bioDan Every (magnetic) coin you have with you would probably have the same or larger effect...
And even worse a magnet this large would probably have other side effects.

@sbiewald i wouldn't risk it anyway

RFID readers are cheap and have great range. Cloning RFID chips is ridiculously easy. Therefore theft/impersonation is ridiculously easy.

Tracking your movements would be trivial if you're (basically) constantly broadcasting.

You also can't get an MRI with a chip in your arm/hand. Can't work at CERN either.

@Root The possibility to clone largely depends on the chip and the usage - on the other hand most applications still work with the clonable id-number if the chip.

I agree the MRI is problematic (@bioDan there you have your large magnets), so those chips should be at least documented and placed to be safely removable.

Hey, we swedes are not that stupid!

@Yamakuzure Man your fucking avatar

@ScriptCoded 😂

@Yamakuzure precisely it makes mugging a whole easier, raise your right hand or die?

If beggars can get portable pdq machines for donations then so can criminals.

@ScriptCoded no offense bro, but you are. Your country is moving ahead with cashless societies and micro chipping ppl all because you want to be classed as a tolerant and progressive country.

As tech workers we should all understand the fundamental dangers of allowing banks to create worthless paper money in a DB that increments a few digits accessible by your palm.

Sorry sir you can't feed yourself or buy little timmy the medicine he needs because we can't read the data from your palm. Because we are cashless society now there are no alternatives too. So go over die slowly and miserably and tell little timmy to keep his wailing to a minimum. He's bothering the serfs.

Maybe "someone" had switched off your palm chip because i don't know you pissed off someone at whitehall or the local cop shop.

@AngryFatman Yeah, that's why. To be honest I'd class you as way less intellectual if you simply throw out statements based on no facts what so ever.

@ScriptCoded huh? What about my Avatar?

@Yamakuzure Look at the screenshot. Looks like you're some kind of deamon with a melting face or something.

I honest have thought about getting one many times. And the only reason I haven't yet is price, deciding which hand to put it in and the week it takes to heal completely.

Honestly it's no different than carrying an rfid card in your wallet. Which I'm sure you already have several.

Imagine this. You have an rfid tag fitted to a ring (they make those) it has a unique ID and 700 bytes of whatever you want. Most authentication purposes (badging into work, the subway, unlocking your car, etc) will operate on that UID (that's honestly how most cards actually work) or a challenge response (those ones are pricier)

Given that NFC range is about 30inch max before the signal just sucks too much (I've heard as much as 10 feet supposedly but it requires some pretty expensive gear and violating several FCC regulations and the signal is still not good), this ring shouldn't make you uncomfortable.

Now unless you are super tiny foil hat or squeamish, it's not a massive leap to do it subdermal.