What's up with employers asking to give them a pay expectation? I don't fucking know just tell me how much you are willing to pay for god sake

Ask for a billion dollars. Not even yearly, just a one-off payment in advance is fine.

Employers (or HRs) are usually not upfront about what they can compensate the candidates with. Hence they take the reverse route and more often than not the expectations from the hires communicate to them are less than what they can afford to. It is a win-win for those fuckers

That's why you should let them propose something first and then bargain until both parties agree

I have the same problem!

I tend to just apply for the upper part of the salary range and hope.

I was too much of a chicken to bargain. My company does end-of-year raise assessments and I'll have only been there for 7 months come year end. I'd like to think I'm in a position to bargain if I don't like what I see, since I've become productive in only a couple months and have taken on important projects.

Anyone have advice?

@beegC0de what you're thinking is correct. Go for it and keep it professional

and then there are companies who forbid you to disclose (to coworkers) what you earn, so that they can keep wages low. 🙄
It should be transparent on a list.

I've never been shy about money. If I want a salary, I'll ask for it. If I can't have it, I'll express discontent. If I make more money than someone else for the same job, who cares? That's just how it happens sometimes. Maybe they should have asked for a higher salary.

Take care of yourself! You need money to live, you need money to do the things you want. Food costs money does it not? Are you gonna buy a car with 200k miles on it because you were embarrassed to add 30k to your salary?

Go. Fuckin. Get em. It's just a corporation, you aren't taking from a charity fund.

@AlgoRythm i bought a car with 200k because cars after 2010 suck ass

@tekashi Cars before 2010 will break down that's just what happens after 10+ years of containing small explosions.

@AlgoRythm if you buy a korean budget car, maybe

Oh you in florida, nvm then, usa cars are industrial waste lol

@tekashi Any car after 200k will have issues. Mercedes start having problems at like 150. It doesn't matter how expensive the car is, they just are not made to last. The only thing about newer cars is the interior is cheaper. The engines will always go bad after 200k miles.

@AlgoRythm you either have no idea about cars or just trolling rn. 1.9 pdtdi engines run happily after 500k

@AlgoRythm yeah my dad works at xbox and can ban you, what are you 12?

I already wasted more than 7 minutes "arguing" with you so im out

@tekashi Lmao not even remotely the same thing but fine. You're just one of those stubborn assholes that hates anything modern

@M1sf3t Any mechanic working at a respectable job (Official dealerships rather than just a jiffylube) are required to take many hours of training each year, and they even ship him off to week-long training out of state every once in a while.

They keep their guys up to snuff because it would cost them a lot more money to fix their mistakes.

@M1sf3t That's not to say that he doesn't hate the computers. He does. But at the very least he can fix them and just prays the next job is more down his alley.

And I agree that the actual engine itself will last longer than the rest of the car but if you buy a car with 200k miles on it for $2k, then do $4k in repairs to fix the exhaust leak, the A/C (Important in Florida), replace the tires (which are certainly showing cords at this point), get a new radiator, etc. etc. then why not just pay more money for a car with less wear and tear?

@M1sf3t Not sure where you learned that but that isn't standard... sometimes they send two guys from the shop at a time to save airfare costs. Everyone does training... every year.

@M1sf3t It all depends on who owns the dealership and what brands they represent. I don't think there's any legal standard, but neither me nor my dad have ever managed a shop so I would not know.

Our mechanics actually don't even have the final say on warranty stuff, If I remember correctly, we send pics out to different companies and they do all the judgement.

@M1sf3t who the fuck doesnt flush after 20-30k, the car literally tells you to do it

@M1sf3t I prefer around 60k because the interior matters too. I want the buttons to still have words on them!

@M1sf3t yeah german cars bite your head off if you dont service them, thats why i said usa cars are garbage.

More often than not they're trying to low ball you. So I would just say, look at my resume, portfolio, experience, etc, and let me know what I am worth to you.

If you say a number they will go lower 99% of the time.

@kodaman The problem is most of the time they want you to send a pay expectation with your resume

Next time they ask this, ask them what their budget is for the position. They should give you an estimate and you can negotiate up or down at times...

Or give them an estimate that you are happy with + 5000 (or more) and tell them its negotiable. They will give you the amount they are willing to pay almost instantly.

@beegC0de After coding for 12 years I am pretty fucking tired and one day you will be as well. And when that happens you realize that bargaining and asking for a properly salary comes easier.

Even after all of this time I still dont ask for a raise in the first year of working for a company. Unless I am assigned tasks that is not my responsibility and that I have to do more than once a week, that means I am doing someone else job and want compensation for it.

However if you feel that you are underpaid right now for the amount that you are contributing than you should tell them that in the review. Try and speak first and be nice about it, "I think that I am contributing a large amount to X projects, I would like some more compensation for handling X amount of responsibilities."

@Drmzindec agreed. I have a few things under my belt that I would consider is quite a bit of responsibility for a junior, so we'll see