Me: “We should use WordPress so the marketing person doesn’t have to wait weeks to get on our dev schedule to make simple edits.”

Boss: “You’re fired for even suggesting we use WordPress. We are more pure than this.”

Me: *leaves company*

3 years later, company uses WordPress after boss who fired me is also fired.

@SevenDeadlyBugs Why? Technical reasons.

The im too good for it mentality oh boy
I hate it

@Demolishun Because a WordPress website requires a ton of plugins for even basic functionality and semi-decent speed. Not only that dependencies are a major source of security issues, they also create constant update time craving. And then they can break, which creates even unplanned time sinks.

Not to mention WordPress moves like the Gutenberg disaster which needed more workarounds, or else the very people who were supposed to be able to edit the page without dev aid wouldn't be able to do so anymore.

Your web devs suddenly would have to deal with WordPress in general. There's the risk that this would piss off the capable ones enough to leave the company.

Last but not least, it's usually a bad idea to give marketing direct access because they don't know what they're doing, break shit and then require even more help.

@Fast-Nop I can always tell the people who have never seriously worked on WordPress sites. I do this exclusively for a living and everything you just said is just incorrect. Wow. I’m mobile and a tiny keyboard is hard to use to refute thoroughly everything you said. Will have to wait for another time.

@Fast-Nop I have had great success with Wordpress for one off systems that just want a page. I do see some plugins dying and not being maintained. That is annoying.

I have also had success with less technical people directed to create new pages. That is fairly innocuous.

I do see some of your points though. I would think for a more demanding page it is not the best solution. Then again the client probably has more money to sink into a page that requires a different solution.

One thing I have found though is that wordpress plugins are VERY easy to write. The framework it provides is very comprehensive.

@Sauruz Just one plugin? Can you benchmark one of these sites using gtmetrix.com and post the result scores?

Preferably one that isn't deliberately botched up with trackers because that woudn't be WP's fault.

@Sauruz yup. ACF adds a lot of powerful functionality for little cost in terms of page speed. I have one site my agency developed that is sub-second response time for page speed.

@stackodev I've gotta say that at my old job (hosting company) every day a few or more word press sites had to be restored due to hacks and updates gone wrong..

@linuxxx WP devs won't see this as issue, but as feature. After all, both maintenance and cleaning up makes them money.

@linuxxx We had a custom website built in 90s style coding. No way to customize the site without editing images and changing html. It also got hacked because of the outdated coding it used. It was not a good thing at all. No, it was coded by a pro, so I am not comparing this to a well designed site that uses a framework. It was badly coded html/css/js.

So I took it over, cleaned it up. Switched to Wordpress, made sure everything has up to date plugins and checked any custom php/js for potential security issues. It has been going well ever since. I think you get into trouble with Wordpress when you don't maintain it properly, use questionable plugins, write bad php code, etc.

My guess is bad wordpress sites are more a result of overall inexperienced creators more than anything else. Or using shared hosting and they got hacked by another user.

@linuxxx sucky hosting. My host locks down production. No site I run has ever been hacked in 5 years. Updates are fully automated and tested before going live. I have lots of free time to manage content and do redesigns.

@stackodev Okay, if that hosting is sucky, please educate me as for how to accomplish said thing with being able to update on demand and install plugins on a shared hosting account with a default hosting panel.

Average user has near zero technical knowledge.

If you'd have a way of doing this without modifications to the hosting panel, please, enlighten me.

@linuxxx You haven’t heard of Pantheon.io? They don’t use that old shared hosting cPanel garbage.

Spinning up a site takes seconds. Migrating a site is stupid simple. Cloning between instances is a breeze.

And it’s got a GUI method of site deployment that still uses Git workflows, yet can easily be taught to clients. Yes, you have to update your plugins on Dev, but that’s the way it’s supposed to be in the first place. Then deploy to Test, then deploy to Live. On the backend, I can automate continuous integration and regression testing (visual diffs) via CircleCI. The best of both worlds.