Advertising your laptops as "linux-laptops" but shipping only with nvidia-gpu should be punishable by death.

By torture, and then death

I never had issues with nvidia in linux. Has things changed?

@Demolishun
The point is that...
1. The kernel-module is a proprietary binary blob.
That means, that if you've got kernel-issues, you won't get much help, since no one can tell, what said module does inside your kernel.
2. Said binary blob is dynamically linked against glibc.
That means, that its unusable on a musl-based system.
3. The Nvidia-driver doesn't support Wayland in any way. I think I don't need to say anything on why that's shit.

@metamourge Then run the open source driver. It works okay for most things. You dont have to run the prop driver.

@Demolishun

The nouveau driver is fine for display, but not for anything demanding-- certainly not games. My previous machines and my current laptop have Nvidia cards, and I've always bitten the bullet and installed the proprietary drivers to get that performance, but having a Radeon now, and how effortless it is, the idea of going back to Nvidia is like putting wet clothes back on.

@Demolishun

@bahua this.

Nvidia made changes to their hardware interface (supposedly to force the proprietary drivers) and now, nouveau works, at best, for display.
Even hardware-rendering won't work on newer (at least 3 years old by now) gpus, so your CPU will do the jet-engine move and let your computer hover at 1.5m height.

@metamourge Ah, that sucks. It used to be the other way around. How things change.

@Demolishun
Yeah, I got a GTX1060 and I would be useless with nouveau.

@metamourge I run Windows X. It has native support and stuff and works and stuff. If you don't mind the spyware.

@Demolishun

It doesn't have native support. MS just has a partnership with Nvidia to grab and install the latest still-proprietary device driver.

Linux does have native support for Radeon cards though. It's built into the kernel.

@bahua The drivers are designed for the OS. Not some hacked together blob thing that somehow is made to work.

@Demolishun

Nobody's talking about a hacked-together blob.

I am studying Deep Learning exclusively on Linux. Is the whole "ncidia is bad on Linux" a kind of meme I sont get?

@AI-Overlord
I'm pretty sure i stated clearly why nvidia can gagg to death on a horsecock, but let me give you an example on how to do it the right way.
AMD develops its unix-drivers as FOSS.
They get integrate into the kernel-sources, so they should work perfectly, as long as the GPU is supported.
They also implement GBM-buffers, so they're compatible with all wayland-compositors.
You may find proprietary AMD-linux drivers on the internet, but those are merely supported for legacy reasons, since the FOSS drivers vastly outperform them.

It has Linux. It doesn't have e.g. Windows. Linux doesn't mean open source or not proprietary - it means Linux kernel based operating system. If they marketed those laptops using phrases like "open source" or "non proprietary" then yeah, your rant would make sense. But there are laws against that. Not punishable by death but still laws. They're not breaking these laws. So what you're really saying is "praying on your assumptions should be punishable by death". And I see no reason why. I think a socially acceptable solution is to check facts and avoid assumptions. Also trust no-one. And change your tinfoil hat often.

@cprn
The argument is obviously about compatibility and support and not about FOSS or proprietary.
And regarding compatibility and support, Nvidia sucks balls on Linux.

Nvidia is better than Advanced Machine Degeneration.

@metamourge I simply disagree. I never had any issues with Nvidia - never i.e. since I switched in 2012 specifically because of issues with AMD and Intel. All my desktops run Nvidia GPUs since 2013 (and, obviously, Linux) and I wouldn't call them not-Linux.

@cprn
What distro do you run?

@metamourge Currently Manjaro at home, Ubuntu at work.

I never had any show stopping issues with Nvidia drivers or hardware either, on a handful of distros. I don't think the distro really matters. You just run the shell script Nvidia provides as root, and when you turn X back on, it works. The major impact on my life through using Radeon is that I don't have to do anything at all, anymore.

@bahua
You said it, X.
Nvidia drivers are, effectively, limited to X. You don't stand a chance running a Wayland compositor and since some of them are working pretty damm well by now, that definitely lazy bitch move from nvidia.

Also, as mentions earlier, the module is linked dynamically against Glibc, so if you run a musl-based distro, (void,alpine,...), your pretty much screwed.

@metamourge We have found wayland to be unstable for our purposes.

@cprn same dude, stable tools for work and newest tech on gaming experience. and i don't get this rant. because i run perfectly nvidia proriety driver on manjaro.

Fun thing is that the AMD-sub-branded 6 port graphics card works completely fine out of the box without additional drivers on my system!