I'm sorry but Laravel is for brainless programmers who wants to be spoon feed all the time.

Laravel is maybe fast to develop and easy to understand but its only because it is poorly designed/written.

That damn Eloquent, if misuse by ignorant or amateur programmer, will definitely bring a disaster to the whole system.

Have you used Laravel?

@theCreativeOne Many times, I just don't like it how they spoon feed everything. I just can't allow myself to be stagnant of the black magics that they were doing. I don't have to explain everything. You will understand if you've been to other frameworks and later start using Laravel because your employer requires you so since it's popular. It's popular because it's easy but if you look to architecture. Most of it are anti pattern.

Personally I think laravel is one of the most finely crafted things I've seen in PHP for a long time. And it you don't want to use eloquent use the underlying DB implementation. Please tell us what exactly offends you. Oh and btw think about ZF2s tablegateway pattern when you talk about bullshit

In addition to that have time to read this: http://laravel.io/forum/...

@CodeBlooded I can understand your opinion. Laravel assume things and there is a lot of black magic involved. Why don't you switch to another framework? Or is it the company's shoice to use Laravel?

I get what you mean, eloquent can be pretty limiting and non intuitive, but thats why they let you use raw sql or the db facade to specify table models

I definitely can see why a lot of people like Laravel. But my preference has always been for lighter frameworks that don't have a ton going on and just have a solid foundation for really basic stuff like routing, dependency injection, container, etc.

@theCreativeOne I can't the employer has already brained wash by amateur programmers and now I'm their new senior programmer. It's not that I really hate Laravel, I like it only if I have a team with experience with other frameworks so they know which is evil and which is not. I hate amateurs who keep bragging how beautiful is Laravel but don't have the slightest idea how to properly use facades and eloquent. WTF! Makes me pissed off!

*wants to be spoon fed

I'm not a grammar nazi but still...

@leviathan07 Thanks but bare with since this is not my mother tongue.

@leviathan07 that's what gramar nazi would say 😮

@dfox like lumen? Basically laravel light

Laravel is the best framework in PHP.

But I think if you get out of PHP there's a lot of lighter and more robust options available.

That's a dit contradictory. Poorly designed because easy to use and fast. That makes 0% sense.

This is a comment from another thread, it gets so annoying when people do this.

https://www.devrant.io/rants/377039

Literally copying and pasting comments into their own rants is really annoying, I dunno if you did this before or another user did, but it's annoying as hell.

@nmunro STFU! And mind your own rant! You are annoying as hell. Look carefully I'm the same guy who commented there. It happens that his rant pisses me off because of what I'm currently experiencing with this fucking amateur team that I am in. So STFU because this is my rant!

@CodeBlooded Yeah, I suppose I can be, but whatever, my concern is that I've seen this happen a couple of times and it seems like a blatant attempt at getting upvotes.

At the very least you could have linked to the original rant or something. A complete copy paste is just basically spamming the page with what were comments.

But whatever, I've said my peace. Done.

@nmunro LoL.. Do you think I came here to get an upvote? Do you think I didn't know I will gain more haters than a pat in the back? Of course I know at the very first place many will hate this rant. And also I can even delete my comments there to make this look not spam to you. To make a long story short I came here not to gain votes, I came here to rant and to let out of my frustrations idiot! This why they created it to help us shout out our fucking rants! I don't mind none of you will not agree with me or vote with my rant, I don't give a shit. I came to post my rant and that's all.
I'm a busy guy I don't have the luxury to waste my knowledge and time here gaining votes. You know what I assume now that those who has lots of votes in there profile aren't real programmers but a whore votes trying to pretend to be developers and waste all their time here to gain votes.

@CodeBlooded "waste my knowledge", sorry, I didn't know you were Linus Torvalds

Laravel Developer here and I must agree with OP.. Although Laravel is one of the better MVC's in PHP, the people who develop in laravel act more like cult members than members of society. They cause more issues because they think inside the box instead of outside. It really stifles creativity.

I think Laravel is good for what PHP is -- being a horrible, horrible language I've written ten plus years. However, I feel that: Phalcon, Laravel, Symfony 4, and Slim are the best PHP gets. Yet, I'll take Django any day over all of these -- it saves so much time, SO MUCH.

No ROI.
In other words Larvel sucks -
One of the worst things I've seen in 32 years of professional programming.
It gives you back NOTHING for all the confusion and odd syntax.
Mind you I think all frameworks are silly.
And I think MVC is absurd -
Both are odd boxes some of us live in rather than mastering the languages and data ourselves. They just get in the way of rational design -
And there is NOTHING in Laravel I cant do faster myself -