What's up with recent Bootcamp grads putting themselves as "full stack engineer"s or "software engineer"s on LinkedIn when they haven't even had their first job yet? They build two projects and they think they are already engineers with zero relative job experience?

I don't get it.

I HATE how easy the word Engineer gets thrown out for every petty thing in this field man.

Makes the actual engineers look like nothing. Thankfully, the skills make the biggest difference.

@AleCx04 BIG FACT. Engineer is thrown around so often these days. I feel like it's something you have to earn like the term Doctor.

Yeah can't do that in Canada or you will be in big trouble.

You need to be a licensed engineer or call yourself a developer if you are not.

If you can make something front and back end, there you go.

As far as I'm concerned that's full stack....

Doesn't mean you're good at it but that's still full stack.

Job titles and being good at what you do are largely disconnected anyway.

@PepeTheFrog in Sweden we have two types of engineer which I believe are protected titles however the term engineer isn't protected by itself however people don't throw it around like its nothing here

@PepeTheFrog this one is new to me! What constitutes getting the license? school? or are there actual licensing institutions for this?

@AleCx04 In Germany you need a Bachelor degree in engineering from an accredited university to call yourself an engineer. I'm sure whether a degree in computer science or software development would be applicable.

@saucyatom I want to believe it would be the same here in the U.S but it is not. I do have a degree from an accredited institution, and do call myself an Engineer. But what OP said holds man, people finish a book and BOOM engineer.

@AleCx04 so you need a bachelor degree or any relevent similar equivalency first. Then you need to pass an exam where they test your knowledge, your writing skills (at a reasonable professional level) and how you react to ethical issues.

In the province where I live, the Order of Engineers gives you the right to use the title in exchange for yearly fees. About 500usd. You can also have access to training and such, but it's mainly for civil engineering to be honest.

Being an engineer by title is only useful if you are to sign on a public contract or such, making you liable if something that goes really wrong could have been prevented by your expertise.

Personally I am not an engineer by title because I do not need it to do my work, but I have the same training as an engineer.

Depneding on whom you ask, "fullstak" is either a term for a very versatile senior trained in all fields imaginable - or just any developer role forced to do frontend (sometimes including design), backend (including DB), and devops.
Sometimes it includes the use of chains and wips - and sometimes it doesn't...

@AleCx04 What can I say.. freedom™ land ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯

@PepeTheFrog almost no one in Canada who does Software is actually an engineer

@PepeTheFrog you forgot the work experience needed before the exam too.

I guess maybe that varies by province tho eh?

@YADU true, in my province you need 2 years experience while being mentored by a senior engineer.

But yeah, the engineer title is pretty much useless for software engineering aside from a few corner cases.

Wow, you can't or would be in great difficulty in Canada.

You must be a certified engineer, or if you don't, you must call a developer.

@howardellis yes it does a nice job preventing title inflation here.

Software people in Canada are all Software Developers.

It's much better this way tbh since I don't think we have much in common with real engineers

So I have a real job and my title is 'software distribution engineer' but I don't know what that means. I hate using my job title when people ask me what I do, because no one else I talk to knows what it means either....