I just don't get the WordPress hate or CMS hate in general. Using these is not perfect, but neither is _anyone's_ code. Get over that and be more productive for your client. Unless you're the best coder the world has ever seen, and you're _always_ available to push content for an organization of 90 or 900 or 9,000 people, nobody CARES about your "coding purity". They want a website that they can still operate if your ass gets hit by a bus. Don't like WP? Find a CMS that ticks most of the boxes for your client's needs. If you have the time, budget, and long-term inclination to provide bug fixes for it, write your own Awesomesauce Custom CMS(TM) and release it to the open source community so we can finally replace WordPress with the next best thing.

Otherwise, launch site, get check. Repeat until you can retire.

Seems fair

I dont hate Wordpress, I only hate the "developers" that creates sites with it. Bad sites with bad plugins and themes. And then blames the sysadmin when the site gets hacked

@Linux agreed. Hosting choice is a huge part of that. So are plugin choice and basic security mods.

What if you don't want to churn out just another blog or mom and pops shop site.
What if you want to work on more complicated web apps?
Having worked in the web app side for a while you start to look at wordpress development like factory work. Churning out the same shit day in and day out.

So maybe it's not so only about the CMS system but also about the kind of work?
Some of us don't do it just for the paycheck.

@Froot I say, more power to you. Find the work you excel at and enjoy.

I happen to enjoy the fact that WordPress makes it easy for me to get sites done well so I can get paid and then use the money and time to do the things I enjoy outside of work. I don't want to be the type of coder who's always toiling at The Next Great Thing That Nobody's Thought Of Until The Day I Go Public With My Idea And Find Out Three Other People Came Up With It Simultaneously. I just want to build websites for entrepreneurs, get paid, and go have fun.

And just because a site is WordPress doesn't mean it's crappy. It's entirely possible to build first-rate sites in both design and back-end aspects if doing things mindfully. It seems like what people complain about most re: WordPress here on devRant is the idea of haphazardly tossing TwentySeventeen and the Akismet plugin at a site and calling it a day. That's just not what real WordPress professionals are into.

@stackodev Well the it's not always the next big thing. What I do is good web apps for big companies, projects where you spend 3 years developing, maintaining and improving it. The contrast is quite stark with the "throw out a blog in 2 days" wordpress market.

Also, not to be mean but "wordpress professional" sounds funny to me. Like "sandcastle building expert". Just something that came to mind, I'm sure you can build great things with any tool 😊

@Froot the definition of professional is someone who does a thing for pay. It doesn't have to mean "highly technical person who only builds highly complicated, one of a kind things." I do WordPress sites for money. Therefore, I fit the general definition. If a client has no clue how to do it themselves, then I definitely fit the definition from their perspective.

@stackodev Absolutely. Whatever floats your boat 🤣

@stackodev Also, aren't you at least a little afraid that sites like Squarespace will render your entire field useless in the future?

@Froot I actually get a lot of work from disillusioned Wixers and Squarespacers. People think it'll be all easy because templates. But they don't understand the larger implications of what it means to have a flexible, scalable web platform, nor do they have basic design sense. They click and drag themselves into information architecture Hell and come to me to bail them out.