Big day today for the UK. I hope we stay, the future's bleak if we don't. I'm IN. Damn those outers.

As a startup founder, I feel a compounded interest to stay.

No, MEPs are elected, but the Council of Ministers are NOT. And they are the ones who make the decisions. MEPs cannot change, nor repeal those decisions. It's a sham democracy.

We've spent years trying to reform matters from the inside. Eventually you get to the point when you realise it cannot be reformed.

Look at youth unemployment in Southern Europe. A whole generation thrown on the scrap heap thanks to the political project that is the single currency.

We warned (along with most economists) what would happen but as usual we were ignored.

@MicroNibble you are blaming the EU for the failed policies and lack of investment by our own "democratically" elected government. If we leave expect more unemployment, erosion of workers rights, zero hour contracts, selling of NHS, class division. It's the Torys not the EU. Watch this video, done by someone who knows the facts of EU law.
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/...

@MicroNibble sorry 😬 I thought I was replying to @wildgoose . I can't die vote myself though🔫

@h3ll I agree about the House of Lords. And monarchies for that matter. That still doesn't change the fact that the EU is actively anti-democratic though.

@Wildgoose having no voice will not reform it.

@helloworld You can't vote? So you're not a UK citizen, but you are willing to sacrifice our hard fought for democratic rights simply because it suits your personal circumstances?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

@h3ll When did I say the House of Lords was fine? I was AGREEING with you!

@Wildgoose I voted 1 hour ago.

@MicroNibble Yes, I am afraid so. Bit of background. I have stood for Parliament 6 times, including 2 Parliamentary by-elections. I've been a European MEP candidate twice, and Council Elections as well.

This is the most important vote of our lives. I wasn't this stressed at the Parliamentary by-election when I came second with 30% of the vote.

I am genuinely frightened about the direction the EU is heading in.

@MicroNibble Yes, I am just hoping that the "Wisdom of Crowds" works out for the best!

(Which is ultimately what Democracy is all about of course).

@Wildgoose You make an assumption about my right to vote, then disclose you're a politician. That explains everything. 🇪🇺

@helloworld I am a computer programmer who has been politically active. I misread one of your earlier comments which suggested you couldn't vote.

And your attitude says more about you than it does about me.

@Wildgoose you could have corrected your mistake, but you chose not to. Hence my previous comment. Now you try to discredit me. Thank you.

If you guys leave, I can no longer get cheap stuff on Amazon, so please, for my sake?

@helloworld Fair enough. That's a fair point. I apologise for that earlier comment.

@Wildgoose thanks, me too.

Good luck to my UK friends today? Cheers

Southern Europe hasn't been suffering because of the single currency. It's because of debt. And debt has two sides: a borrower and a lender. When lenders have too much money on their hands, interest rates will fall (basic supply and demand) and borrowers will take up more debt than they should. That's what happened in the US with the housing market, that's what's happening now with the UK's housing market. And national debt is in no way less susceptible to this.

If money and goods are not flowing through an economy, we have a recession. Guess what happens then when the financial industry holds an insurmountable amount of money hostage?

I highly recommend Yanis Varoufakis' TED Talk on the matter: https://ted.com/talks/...

So it is not the Euro nor the EU that are trampling democracy. It's debt.

There a lots of things which need improvement with the EU...
But plz vote stay! Better work on it together!

@MicroNibble I'm in shock. It's a complete disaster.

@MicroNibble 90% of internet posts I read were for remain... not sure what the internet access coverage is in UK

@grashopper99 We're a modern country with as near as dammit 100% internet coverage. Nearly all my feed has been massively Leave. That's the problem with echo chambers that shout over opposing views. (On both sides).

@grashopper99 It's all about the elders.

@MicroNibble I think Cameron resignation is just. He didn't want the Brexit therefore he wouldn't do a good job negotiating it.

The Bank of England will pour £250 billion into the financial market to "ease it". That's double the budget for the NHS in a year.

And they said Brussels was the problem...

@BellAppLab That money isn't spent, it is available to stabilise Sterling by being converted from dollars, etc.

@Wildgoose Right. Which means the Bank of England is ready to exchange money for government bonds if the government decides to issue them. If the government issues them, they become part of the national debt. And the national debt is to be paid eventually. So, after unwrapping the economic jargon, we're back to my main argument.

When the US did it's "quantitative easing", everybody freaked out. "OMG, the government is printing money, the inflation, the crash of 1920, we're doomed!"

When governments do it to appease the financial market nobody objects it.

I think it's time for someone to make a meme off of the UKIP guy saying "Let's make Britain great again".

@Wildgoose I was extremely disappointed with the result, I must confess. It seems the British public (a big proportion) were duped in to voting leave on a protest mainly revolving around immigration etc. However I have heard and listened with intent to some very convincing arguments as to why leaving could actually be a positive outcome for the British people in the long run. My greatest fear now is the fact that we hold a strong hand to negotiate our future and no representation in parliament willing or able to pursue it. We remainers should consider this as an opportunity to be involved in shaping the future and stop the futile negativity. Let's be open minded and work together now in making this something we can be proud of. The political fallout is overshadowing the need for positive and decisive action on the part of our elected representatives. We have to make this work.