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7 years is a long time but yup, I’m struggling with it as well.
I guess you can sell your old device and get back at least some of your money.
With Linux I agree, but with Windows, after 7 years it will become sooooooo sloooooow that it will be a major pain in the ass to use it for even web browsing. -
Actually it support 5 years old MacBooks:
iMac (2019 or later)
iMac Pro (2017)
MacBook Air (2018 or later)
MacBook Pro (2018 or later)
Mac Mini (2018 or later)
Mac Pro (2019 or later
My dad all in one with windows survived for 12 years, of course switched to SSD and added more ram, but was still enough to browser the internet and use office... Important is to not install shit on it. But last Christmas he deserved a new minipc 🙂 -
@electrineer no, it’s the opposite. You just hear it much more often in the news when an Apple device has problems. No one cares about problems of some no name crap that doesn’t have a significant market share.
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My parents-in-law still use a Windows Vista desktop with a chrome browser version from like 6 years ago. A lot of web-apps just don't work but at least no auto-reboots on forced Windows updates, I guess?
We also have a perfectly fine iPad 2 which is unusable. Apple should allow old models to install the latest OS-compatible version of an app -
>why use a MacBook
Great battery life with great performance, but not if you're on Intel
HOWEVER, I kinda fucking hate iOS
I have a distaste for states trying to regulate everything everywhere, but I don't think Apple should have a monopoly on software distribution on people's hand computers
I've heard about the EU taking steps to open iOS up to sideloading, it should also be retroactive to all fucking versions of iOS, and deny Apple the opportunity to make basic basic basic freedom a selling point while still making older phones obsolete e-waste. -
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@dontbeevil Im using my first Mac for work (I'm a Linux guy) and it is fast and above the best built laptop I've ever had.
It makes my $2000 system 73 laptop feel like a cheap plastic toy -
@lungdart I don't know about Sytem32 but I use/d high end Lenovo and Dell and I never had nothing to complain on the build quality
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@dontbeevil wrong comparison!! does a macbook cost $300 ? Get a brand new macbook pro for about $2900 ~ $3200 and buy a laptop in a range of that price I'm sure you will never regret it
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@Lensflare I stopped using windows since 2 years now and switched to Linux and i feel like a bird :)
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@jcbbb Bose makes good sound systems as well, a macbook is not a portable entertainment device so i can care if it does produce good sounds or not
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@dIREsTRAITS that's what people that buy a MacBook do, compare it to a 300$ PC ... I totally agree I buy a 1500-200$ PC and I never regret it
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@lungdart ok... so I'm not the only one who immediately thought that. I haven't done much on any recently created MacBook... but I started modifying OEMs' systems, including swapping some windows to Mac and reverse, when I was still a kid... it started when new Windows OS wouldnt let me use win98 mspaint... where you could use the +/- to infinitely change the eraser size.
Anyway, thanks, I was about to research if I missed some major unconceivable changes. -
@dontbeevil not sure what this mac costs, but it's likely comparable to my Linux laptop.
Mine has more horse power, but it feels like a plastic toy. The build quality on the Mac is bar none, and if you find one that has the same quality, I'm all ears! -
@dontbeevil I find it shocking that you don't have a complaint with Dell. Mind giving me the machine info? I really wanna look it up now.
Personally, a decade ago I had a computer issue and was forced to run to best buy before they closed for the night... unfortunately a dell was the best option, especially with it being a 17inch. Main reason I got the Dell: lots of space to mod the mobo.
As, expected, less than 2 weeks, it constantly trying to bring the bloatware back and generally not working as I wanted (not specifically slow;I'm rather particular) and I was annoyed enough to spend hours tearing it apart. made some physical modifications and even had to modify or fully write some drivers... so worth it. -
@dIREsTRAITS every machine is hardware... it just matters if whatever you're running thinks it is or not.
That said, it's still a timesink to mod things to that level... even if you've been doing it for over 20yrs. -
@awesomeest I had 2 Dell XPS 15... So because you ran into an issue on a single machine in a single time... everything dell sucks? If you search you'll find many complains and issues about MacBooks, so I guess all of them sucks
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@dontbeevil nooo... I had issues with 100s of dells, the majority were mass produced for business use, customised or not. Don't get me wrong, I complain about non-Dell hardware/software too. Over the years, Dell and HP were the majority of hardware issues I dealt with. To be fair, they were also the most used in businesses, with piles of cubicals and often shoddy networking. HP definitely used to win on most bloatware.
My personal conclusion, when Dell hardware fails, relatively often, it fails big time. They are more tolerant to physically changing hardware than an HP that's for sure. -
@lungdart
Eeeeexcept, no, they aren't 😂
Don't trust me, trust Louis Rossman n, who makes an actual living off it... -
@CoreFusionX hahaah yeah Rossman will change your mind about apples products
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@dontbeevil i prefer to buy a brand new dell xps 13 plus with everything upgraded for $2000 than buying a mac that will give me a countdown on when they want me to replace it
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@dIREsTRAITS same
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@Alexanderr unfortunately I agree on at least some level... mac hardware has been advancing faster than other typical choices... I'm too used to being able to mod my own hardware though... macs arent compatible with most things. They also are engineered as a device, not parts that end up building devices. There's no extra space to mod even if you have the skill and budget to.
Their battery life is the real winner imo. I have an ipad (due to some promo thing), i mainly use it for music to my wireless earbuds (most waking hours... i just swap sets of earbuds off the chargers), the battery on that lasts forever... yeah the battery specs are great but theur fixed/tightly engine hardware stack and programming of those resources is also significant.
If I was apple, I'd liscense out the previous models(or at least a subset of the stack) to the highest bidder, let them sell the tech with windows, or whatever... publicly. Itd likely make converts too. -
@dontbeevil such a bullshit argument.
Window snapping works. You probably mean the division into 1/2 screen width etc.
That doesn’t work but it’s also an absolute non issue for being productive. I don’t give a shit about it and I also don’t use it on Windows.
Switching desktops in fullscreen mode is productive.
Your cut paste argument is absolutely false. I explained it several times on devrant and I’m sure you read it. Yet you decide to spread the same lie again just because you hate Apple so much.
You are the typical person who starts using mac after countless years of Windows and then complain about literally anything that is different from what you are used to. -
@Lensflare I'm certainly not a big MacOS fan but I still agree. I hadn't been on here in years, but I don't remember so many self-proclaimed devs complaining about things that could be changed with a few(or 1) lines of code...
Has learned helplessness already hit the dev community this hard? -
@awesomeest you mean the same Mac proclaimed devs that complains on windows missing things that can be changed in a second?
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@Lensflare moving the goal post as usual... People complained on missing built-in pdf reader on windows, because in Mac was built-in...the same people reply that on Mac to have windows snapping you "need just to install an app"... The same people that complains if windows has too much stuff built-in it's bloat ware or even worst antitrust issue.
Oh and the 2 things I mentioned were just a couple of many...but sorry if I touched your beloved apple, I'll go to pray in front of Steve Jobs statue -
@dontbeevil stop playing the game who complains more. That’s not helpful at all. Give me some concrete examples to work with.
About your examples in the last comment:
Window snapping doesn’t require any third party tool. It was there out if the box for as long as I can think of.
But even if something needs a third party app, I personally don’t consider it a major issue. Regardless if it’s mac or Windows.
Bloatware and OS features are two completely different things. Critics about bloatware are justified. Again, mac and Windows, doesn’t matter.
There are so many things about mac os to criticize. The crappy task bar for example. But you and your other Apple haters are always come with some bullshit that is plain wrong.
That’s what I have a problem with.
For you it’s a war between Apple and Microsoft.
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@dontbeevil do you not know what bloatware is? Your post kinda seemed like you thought bloatware it has very subjective criteria. It's simple, included by default; unwanted... aka what you literally just explained as if it was some dynamic mutable criteria.
Something pre-loaded that is unwanted. That's what makes it bloatware. Unless I'm seriously missing something here, your just proved your own self-righteous assertion wrong, while initially stating it.
That is certainly a fascinating skill. (< literal; not sarcasm) -
@awesomeest I just like to behave like apple fanboys, just the other way around, I'm just repating what they say and making fun of them ... so you know that mac os comes with many apps preinstalled (don't remember the exact number, between 10 and 20) that you canno uninstall with the standard way (drag and drop to the trash).
Windows also comes with many apps preinstalled, most of them you can uninstall with 2 clicks ... but for apple fanboys is bloatware.
If windows miss some feature that mac has out of box, it's a drama.
If macOS miss a feature like windows snapping they reply: you need just to install an app
If macOS comes with a builtin browser/mediaplayer/zip extractor/picutre/office files/pdf readers is cool
If WIndows integrate something like this, it's something that goes again all the antitrust laws -
@dontbeevil that doesn’t apply to all of us here.
But you are the very same kind of person who you complain about: Hating or defending based on what company it belongs to instead of talking about the concrete issue.
Every time that someone writes something against Windows, literally anything, you are right there pointing out how cool it is to bash Windows and how nobody complains about that on the mac (which isn’t true).
And every time that someone writes something against mac OS, you are right there confirming it, no matter what it is.
Again, criticism might be justified or not. It always depends on the concrete example.
And it should never be about Apple vs. Microsoft. If it’s justified, it deserves the criticism. If it’s some bullshit claim that is not true, it deserves pointing it out. -
@Lensflare that's all right, and that's exactly what I do on purpose, replicate most of Mac users behavior the other way around
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Do you realize that this is dumb and doesn’t help to make things better?
If yes, then I suppose that you are just a troll?
Then I will call you a troll from now on. Unless you can convince me otherwise.
I have the proof right here and I probably should make a copy in case that you decide to delete your comment. -
@dontbeevil if this proves anything, then it’s that you are wrong. That’s the sad truth, dude.
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@dontbeevil
1. wtf do you mean about "act like many apple fanboys the other way around"?
2. Do you realise that you make very little sense... both in your language use and arguments, which never actually address when someone directly proves you wrong?
(The English use isn't a diss, I speak several languages; I certainly hope someone would mention if I was unclear/inaccurate.)
3. Are you a legal adult?
4. What is your goal/objective(s)? Here and/or irl?
5. Have you every developed/built an application from inception? If so, what was it/written in?
Though I can't deny that I find you both hysterical and a grim reminder of a global issue of societal decline... I am also just genuinely curious at what you think you're doing and why... also, if you actually are a dev/what variety. -
@dontbeevil unfortunately many people got the apple vaccine, how would a company be in business for a lifetime if they didn't force you to buy a new product when yours doesn't complain of almost anything? All those limitations in terms of software were created in the benefit of their eco-system, it's difficult and unbelievable how easy people got into their trap, i just can't justify it, if a person think that a MacBook pro is well built because the motherboard is inside an aluminum case then just look for an alternative that makes their motherboards in n aluminum case and enjoy the freedom of choosing your OS and all the apps you need and I can't think elsewhere other than Linux
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@awesomeest hysterical?! I didn’t perceive me or him as hysterical at all.
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@hjk101 what do you think of the newest Dell XPS 13 Plus
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@Lensflare
I'm not identifying you as hysterical.
I'm very literal.
Hysterical (oxford): deriving from or affected by uncontrolled extreme emotion.
He seems hysterical to me; I just can't identify the root emotions. -
@dIREsTRAITS they look awesome. I was even offered one but after reading reviews I opted for the new XPS without the plus. The plus models are in their second gen.
But I have not seen that they fixed the issues.
So the plus also has capacitive touch bar. Not as confusing as the MacBook one just a space saver that switches between function keys and media keys. Escape is also on the touch strip. However they often fail to function depending on the temperature of your laptop and what not.
The touchpad has been integrated beautifully however it's super sensitive, so a lot of people are complaining it gets in the way when typing or otherwise accidental registrations.
I particularly hold my hands close together so I have my palms registering on a MacBook (and they have quite advanced touch tech and Palm detection) so I'm afraid that for me it becomes unworkable without an external keyboard.
So I love the look and used materials, just afraid it's not worth the issues. We power users use esc/f-keys quite a lot, rather have physical buttons and consistent feel than fancy media keys. -
@dIREsTRAITS I agree, another example
Apple one day or another drops support for 5 years old apps/frameworks and force all devs to update their code, not a single complain
Microsoft try to drop a support for 20 years old apps/frameworks ... Devs starts to cry out loud
We should have something in the middle
P.s.
Now I have a Lenovo yoga 9i and still super satisfied after 6 months -
@dontbeevil tell me one framework that has been dropped by Apple after 5 years. Or even after 10 years.
Microsoft 20 years, seriously? It drops frameworks every 5 years or less. UWP is a recent example. -
@Lensflare like opengl, opencl and 32bit apps, do they still run on latest macos?
UWP is still supported, you can still develop UWP apps with all version of VS till the introduction and they still run on all platforms from the first version that supported it till to the latest one ... try again
anyway I'd love if windows will become 64bit only, but devs cry out loud because they'll need to touch their code... and yes sorry if I wrote frameworks, I had to write something more generic like technology/api/architecture -
@dontbeevil yeah I was talking about frameworks. Drop of 32bit is a good choice and you even agree with me. OpenGL doesn’t belong to Apple so they can’t trop it. We were talking about different things.
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@dontbeevil oh man i googled the lenovo yoga 9i that you mentioned, it got 12 cores 16 threads yours is E-cores or P-cores? the p-cores are up to 5 GHz with turbo boost that is honestly a real beast
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@dIREsTRAITS I got the i7-1360P really satisfied so far, I don't miss the Amd 5600g desktop for .NET dev. I didn't know they had also an option with E series, only thing I can complain is I would have preferred an option with 32GB of Ram, but they make (made) only 16gb max.
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@dontbeevil maybe it's a language barrier issue... but, your own citation proves you wrong.
He said "OpenGL doesn't belong to Apple".
Your source: "Apple’s lack of interest in Khronos’s Open APIs has not gone unnoticed over the years. Apple never added support for OpenGL ES 3.1 or later on iOS, and similarly macOS doesn’t go beyond OpenGL 4.1"
Khronos owns/made the Open APIs, Apple just stopped pushing support for them because they want people to adopt their proprietary (ie., they made/own rights to it), Metal, instead. -
@PAKA "never" seems pretty harsh... so that'd mean you dont buy clothes, pets, furniture... soooo many things you don't buy.
I'm hoping that policy doesn't apply to things like a toothbrush or toilet, but you did say "never" so I'm not totally sure. -
@awesomeest I don't buy toothbrushes, I use my finger obviously and I find my pets in the woods, it's free
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@Jaded-Phelps reasons are still reasons, regardless of ridiculous application. Perfect example... as a kid (~9) i had a neighbourhood friend, about 4yrs older. She kept talking about how amazing macs must be and how dumb/unfair her parents were for not understanding how different and great Macs were. (I was fixing BSODs for 40-50$ since age 8... and soldering mobos, tweaking drivers..etc... yea im weird)
She had never used a Mac; I was sure she just liked the look... she swore that wasnt the case. So when i saw an old Mac at a garage sale for cheap af... I bought it. I loaded DOS 5.0.2 (still my favourite OS) on it, but rebranded with Mac logos anywhere i could. Gave it to her for her birthday.
Guess who was right about her not knowing what Macs were like and only wanting one to look cool?
... It was hysterical, her parents and I (I told them) watched her trying to pretend she loved it for months.
Guys seriously why would you buy a macbook if apple will support it for like 7 years then you won't be able to upgrade to newer OSX versions? whereas a good laptop machine could run Linux for a lifetime, you could even change distros if you got bored.
Let me dive into it, If I buy a brand new macbook and use it rarely, its condition will barely change however one day I will get the message you need a greater version to install X app, seriously apple?
Real life scenario: I have an ipod touch 5 i rarely use it, one day i decided to install an application and boom no you can't buddy you need to upgrade the iOS however the currently version of iOS is the latest version i could get for that ipod touch model, so the thing is, I have a perfect condition product that is unusable unless for some music playing and what i already installed as apps, does it look fair to you? I have the same issue with an ipad mini, its condition is perfect, battery life is decent, I can't receive anymore updates, the youtube app stopped working, im stuck again with a product that i can use only to read some ebooks or use youtube through the browser, apple wants me to buy a new ipad which is absurd.
I will never buy an apple product again
Fuck you Apple
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