turns out it's a lot harder to write stuff if you're not writing it in JavaScript 😒

Funny, I have the exact opposite problem.

Lately, it feels a lot like
import { race_conditions } from “vanilla.js”

If JS is your most familiar language, not surprising at all.

@jestdotty ah, sounds like you would love C, or hell, even assembly! Defo lets you fuck up in your own way, not limiting at all.

@jestdotty reverse engineering is OUT of topic.

Also who talked about c++, I said C.

you misspelled "easier"

@jestdotty you really got to try C.

@jestdotty counter-question: how is it _harder_ to implement something in a language that is _not_ the epitome of "shit-tier"?

@melezorus34 C is simple and easy but too limited in my opinion. All the global functions wich create and operate on structs because there are no methods and no constructors, is just a PITA.

I’m not sure what is worse, C or JS. They are like different extremes on a diagram of shitty languages. Each of them shitty in a different way ^^

@Lensflare c is, by modern standards, shitty because it is _old_ - nothing more. basically, it's not crap, it's just wrinkly and arthritic.

js is shitty because it was designed shittily.

@tosensei I’m not saying that C is shit because it’s old. The design is solid, but I find it shit for most kind of projects because it lacks so many features (by design).
Same reason why I dislike golang, even though it’s relatively modern.

@tosensei JS’s design is not even that shitty because it was designed as a quick and dirty hack to be able to write scripts for browsers with a syntax similar to Java. And for that, the design was ok.

The abuse of JS today (as a programming language, which it is not) is not a testament of its bad design but of misguided devs.

@Lensflare the design was kinda okay-ish for a shitty goal. yes.

@jestdotty so the problem is that you're forced to write not-awfully-typed-to-untyped-code to prevent the myriads of errors that javascript tries to mitigate by having a de-facto necessity for linters?

also: "there's more syntax at your disposal" - is that a universal constant for all languages besides JS? does that hold up for, let's say, brainfuck?

but all in all you're just saying that you're just not yet ready for the arguably higher plain of dev-existance that is "typed languages"

@tosensei that’s what I mean when I say that JS is harmful. Long time exposure makes you think that good languages are just too complicated.

@Lensflare if all you ever had is a hammer, you're confused by how badly a saw works for hammering.

@jestdotty because it is implossible to take javascript seriously, except as a serious problem.

also: i affiliate with no groups, i'm an individual.

i just think that javascript is one of the most terrible and awful and garbage things ever to come into being in the realm of technology.

the absolutely only good thing javascript provided was JSON, and i'd gladly go back to XML if it'd mean getting rid of javascript everywhere as well.

@jestdotty JS is the most popular language in world. Is that the kind of group that you are talking about?

It’s like a fight against religion. Those people are the major part of the population but that doesn‘t mean that they deserve respect or can be taken seriously. It‘s the bandwagon fallacy again.

@jestdotty genocidal mindset?! 🤨

@jestdotty Now I really don‘t know what you are talking about.

@jestdotty girl, i honestly tried to formulate the next sentence in a nice way, but i couldn't do it:

you failed at comprehending basic english

because: no. i do NOT like xml, never have, never said so, never implied anything of the matter.

BUT: "using XML again instead of json" would be a very small price to pay for "getting rid of javascript once and for all" - that's what i said.

@Lensflare yeah i'm curious as well where she got the crazy idea that "those people individually don't deserve respect because of stupid choices" means "those people deserve to be genocided".