I get really tired of people shitting on php and getting greated with immediate laughter when I say I work as a full stack LEMP/LAMP dev. I work just as hard as you (ruby/python/node devs) do and feel like I make some pretty cool shit.

Why can't we all just agree we do great things with our tools and while I may use a different hammer than you, we still use the same nails!!!

I asked about the same thing recently and came to the conclusion that most of the php hate comes from old spaghetti legacy code some still need to maintain.

However, modern mvc frameworks enable you to do awesome stuff with ease.

Then again - bad programming is just bad no matter the hammers you use :)

Keep up the good work, i'm a full time php dev myself and i love it (lucky not to have anything to do with legacy code)

@Skipp thanks man, you keep on keeping on to. I'm lucky in that my company gave me the proverbial keys to the kingdom tech wise and let me choose what to build our stuff on. no legacy messes here anymore! just clean laravel projects.

@robert-cox awwwyea - another laravel fan. Good choice - good choice indeed. I came from codeigniter initially and i still think it's a good framework that gets you going with zero setup but eloquent + blade just make laravel pretty much the only choice nowadays

@Skipp symfony us very good and if I were doing larger scale things it's what I would use, but for my work Laravel makes things much faster. throw in forge and envoyer for deployment and server management and it's just stupid how simple it makes my work from an infrastructure standpoint.

+10 for Laravel! It's my favourite & essential sanity-keeping framework when I'm doing PHP projects.

PHP is great but people sure do like to hate on certain languages.

The language is flawed but the eco-system is great.

Yii2 is a neat framework.

Remind those node guys about left-pad. 😜

just made a post about this the other day. I always say use the best tool for ths job. A lot of times PHP is that tool for me, and if anyone wants to tell me otherwise I just say "okay fine, you do it then".

@debug good Ole laziness!!!

I really don't like php, sorry. But that only makes me more impressed with people working full time with php and making nice things.

My language of choice is more powerful and easy to use, in my opinion, but I still only make crap most of the time.

@obeq that's perfectly fine man, again different hammers, but we all use the same nails! Keep enjoying your language of choice.

Moved to Phalcon after using laravel for months. Couln't be more happier

After I was forced to write, maintain and support php 5.2 ( not even 5.3 ), I get the hatred.

But as it is now with php 7, I disagree with it.
And with php 7.1( yay short lambda's, generic types & pco ), I disagree on the hatred even more.

@robert-cox laravel is great, but when it comes down to performance the ORM slows things down DB-wise. I prefer usong raw SQL for the heavy stuff

@m144 well yes.
I usually have a folder called Queries under app that is classes that all has a run() method that does the queries..

I actually found that injecting the dB interface, to be faster than using the facade :)

@springfire Sounds interesting! I heard that it's performance is awesome, right? How was your experience working with it?

codeigniter anyone?

@phoomparin I enjoy as much as working with laravel. Sure it hasn't got all bells and whistles but you'll not find hitting yourself hitting a rock anytime. Performance wise it's like night and day between frameworks with thousands of files and this.