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@rookiemaverick I didn't accept because I'm sick of the old project and ETL staff that I've been doing.
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@Collie Both of us think yes, but in practice it's more complicated (I'm in the process of getting a citizenship here)
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@senzory can't, already answered why.
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@slinkydeveloper From what I've read in Germany, on average, they look down on you if you don't have a finished CS degree 😒. Tell me if I'm wrong.
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@iamgio I lived for 15 years in south Italy, I understand you.
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@stop I even have an unrelated to CS high school degree, only because I made a wrong choice when I was teenager. How this sounds like?
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@Brolls if is gross and In Milan is nothing. 47% goes away the rest is net, one bedroom apartment starts from 800 euro
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@donnico 47% of that goes to tax?! Yikes. Get out fast.
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@Brolls tax and pension yes
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@Brolls that's before taxes... And Milano is expensive 😒
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@PaulTheSaltyDev can't, I'm in the process of getting an European citizenship
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@donnico I can't, I'm in the process of getting a citizenship for the next 2 years
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@donnico even without pension it's already challenging
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@stacked can't, the reason is in the discussion ._.
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@stop interesting to know. Do you have more insights?
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I know your feel bro.
I am italian and i am a senior java developer (5+ years)
I started in Rome with shitty body rental companies.
I moved with my wife in Bologna, where i worked with a shitty software developer company and another body rental company.
I hate recruiters and i hate when they search me for a "interesting" job opportunity = another shitty work for another shitty body rental company for a shitty salary
Finally now i am working for a startup that works with blockchain: it's hard but finally i am wokring on a great project and i am learning many wonderful frameworks and technologies: Spring Boot, Ansible, Vagrant, Docker, Jenkins... -
Well, that's awful dude. I really don't know a lot, I just graduated last year and been working like 6 months so far. But reading about the taxes and the basic stuff like rental and other things, maybe it'd be better to move out to another place if possible.
I want to move from my country, not because I don't like it, but because I want to get to know more countries. -
@PaulTheSaltyDev noted
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@bahua yep
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@donnico seems like
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@fabioconcina @snakebyte @Pointer @okstar easy to check:
I have 10+ years of experience in vuejs 5+ years experience in flutter and I am a CSS module guru.
Also I have a degree and I speak 2 language fluently. Would you hire me? -
@fabio and I am an asshole coz I mentioned frameworks alive since 4 years max and I put 10+ years.
Good job ;) bravo!
Just applied to a new job with this as my cover letter.
Wish me luck!
In Italy (Milan)🇮🇹, job hunting is a fucking hell for misfits like me:
• Young(26)
• 1 year(working) experience + continuous learning/improvement at home
• Skillful and adaptable full-stack
• Willing to do greater things with software without being payed like a monkey
This is the last week working at my current company (from which I rejected the renewal of the contract for 26K€/13 months) and almost every time at a new interview everyone tries to down sell me by default or because of the fucking little time that I've been inside companies without even looking at my skills/capabilities.
Also many little companies made by the CEO and a technical manager that are looking for someone from which being provided food 😒(metaphorically).
(On another side, in one month, me and my gf need to move to a new apartment, the renting process sucks, and she has issues to find a non-slavering job because she is a foreigner(with good knowledge of English and Chinese) with very basic understanding of Italian and I see her crying often in my arms because it's hard and stressful for her to become economically independent as she would like to be)
rant
job hunting
ridiculous
fuck italy