How certain can we be, that AI Code Assistants or the companies behind them are "stealing" our proprietary code?

They are not stealing. They are merely expanding boundaries of the term "our code"

I raised this question last year in my YouTube video lol lmaooo...

guess security is still a concern 😕

if you can't prove they did it in court, along with you paying for the lawyers to actually go prove it, and the judge actually punishes them in some meaningful way from it that would actually encourage them not to do it

then they will take that into their liability calculation and it probably would be too little potential consequence for them to care about so they're doing it or gonna do it once they get the devs on plugging all those things in

They already stole literally everything once to train the models and got away with it. Why wouldn't they steal literally everything again?

@cuddlyogre yeah, I think the code stealing is done too, with all that code combined, it contains probably everything what we will write in the future as well. We'll, repos is one thing. But all those books, how could they get away with it. Name a very smol detail from a HP book and it knows. How can it deny having the sources. I think, they'll end up with a mixed dataset with no traces of authors and delete the real dataset.

1) there's profit in it

2) there's no chance for you proving anything

so, based on the rules of capitalism, 100%

however: since you have to agree to their terms when you want to use those services, you simply agree to them using your proprietary code. so therefore, it's not really "stealing", but rather "you being an idiot that freely gives your IP to them".

but that ship has long sailed, anyway, when basically everything moved to "The Cloud".

Yeah, I guess you all are right. And even if it's not a big thing yet, since most generated code is just a small fragment of a complete system, it will become an increasing problem when AI learns to write complete applications from scratch without any human/dev advisor.

@glowFX

> it will become an increasing problem when AI learns to write complete applications from scratch without any human/dev advisor.

this will only be a problem if humans are actually dumb enough to let AI do this.

and even then, it's not a problem of artificial intelligence, but of natural stupidity. please don't blame technology for mankinds numerous shortcomings.

@tosensei

> if humans are actually dumb enough

=) Yes, that was proven true several times. And it's not "all humans have to be dumb", only one with enough power is enough and no one stopping it.

But I am not blaming anyone. I just want to estimate the risk.

"But you agreed in the T&Cs"

@BordedDev well, they don't write "we will use your code to improve the AI"

Instead its ambiguous like that:

> You retain any copyright and other proprietary rights that you may hold in the User Content that you Post to the Service, subject to the licenses granted in these Terms.

> By Posting User Content to or via the Service, you authorize us to use it to provide the Service and Suggestions to you.

Uhm, yes. -.-

@glowFX Yeah, that's why the quotes around that bs excuse, they'll obfuscate and force what they want as much as they can