So after using my new MacBook I have 1 complaint... This fucking escape soft button being away from the edge, I understand you want to do symmetry with the finger print scanner but Jesus Christ it's annoying!

Edit: yes it's a minor issue but you notice it during use more than you think

@zlice it's super annoying, I thought I would never notice it but oh boy you do

Wait you mean to tell me Macbooks don't have a physical escape key? WHAT.

@starrynights89 only if you opt for the touch bar model, I only didn't so I could get the new CPU and 4 USB-C ports

The lack of a physical key would piss me the fuck off, let alone the placement being ridiculous.

@Stuxnet being a soft button isn't actually that bad actually, not perfect but not bad

@lxmcf Ehh it just doesn't seem like it's for me.

Also, the minor issues stand out the most, honestly lol.

@lxmcf I don't want to rip too hard on you for buying it or anything but the lack of a physical key on a keyboard would make me chuck the whole machine.

And in spite of that I'd still go to a Mac because I'd rather work in a pure Linux or Unix environment.

@starrynights89 @Stuxnet all up to preference I guess, I would rather physical but it's something i can live with easy enough, I use an android phone with soft buttons and a chromebook in tablet mode so it isn't a massive deal for me personally

@lxmcf I don't miss the soft buttons that Android P ditches tbh. If I knew it would have worked, I would have used the function on my Moto G5 Plus that uses the finger print scanner as navigation with gestures.

@zlice Correct.

Basing navigation on swiping is a lot better than the keys, both soft and old ass hard keys on older phones lol

@zlice welcome to the world of tech

@zlice I'd say be glad old tech is being revived.

Because like @lxmcf said, this is the tech industry.

Facebook stole stories from Snapchat and made their version better than Snapchat's.

(At least in my opinion, they did.)

@Stuxnet And google ruined gesture based navigation, I'm a google fanboy and even admit it's horrible in android P

@lxmcf Not really no.

@Stuxnet I hate it, I think a good compromise would be swipe left at the bottom to go back, swipe right to open multitasking and swipe up for home.

But as stated, personal preference

@zlice https://youtube.com/watch/...

Thats the best I can describe lol

@lxmcf My biggest issue is I keep accidentally tapping home when trying to tap back.

I like the not 100% switch to full swiping.

Idk if it's because I instinctively close all my apps when I'm done, but the swiping during multitasking isn't a problem for me.

Have you used it yet? I didn't think I'd like it, but 3 hours later I was enjoying it lol

@lxmcf how's vim? I actually really want a Mac with the softbar. It seems great, but I use vim way to much to not have a physical esc.

@deadPix3l No clue, never used vim :-/

@lxmcf did you look yet if theres a tool to fix that? I remember there was one to add custom.software buttons and also edit the margins, maybe it could remove the margin on the escape key too?

I think I use vim too much to be able to tolerate a non-physical ESC key.

So I use Vim and a MacBook Pro.

And I must say, for me, this is a non issue.
It just doesn't bother me, I never have a problem with hitting escape.

But for the most part I have my Mac docked and clamshelled with an external keyboard. So I get my physical keys back. But again, the non physical keys never bothered me.

What bothers me more than the non physical keys is different use of the meta/super key in MacOs and how it's used compared to Linux. I feel really stupid because I constantly do the wrong thing because I'm just so used to how I do it in Linux.

Atleast the terminal follows the same hotkey schema.

@JoshBent Already looked, there isn't actually display in that margin

@zlice I didn't know about this! Thanks for teaching me something! What's the benefit of this? Seems like more trouble to Ctrl + anything.

@BigBoo Also just discovered haptic touch bar, didn't even know the macbook had a taptic engine in it so if you press a key on the touch bar it will slightly vibrate

You can tap the blank space to the left of escape and it presses escape

@tbodt you sure?
It's pretty hit or miss for me when I do

I agree with @AlexDeLarge and @Stuxnet at a level that I'd not just ++ but also mention them.

Hi @AlexDeLarge and @Stuxnet

@rEaL-jAsE you out of your trayma now?

@rEaL-jAsE lol *trauma

...
Regarding that no rants from now thingy

This was the only reason I bought the version without the touch bar.. I liked the touch bar but I like a physical ESC more :P

You can think of it as a feature, i.e. it's harder to accidentally press it.

Reason why ill buy my next one without this useless overpriced "addon" ill never use

In the years that I've been working in a place where company computers are MacBooks, I've come to enjoy MacOS very much as a desktop OS. But the shallow keys and the touchbar on the newest models are just unacceptable. When my 2015 model dies, I will get one of the Windows laptops and install Linux on it.

am i the only one thinking

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