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I am seeing more and more of these political statements and politically correct bullshit on coders forums up to the point where i got to the conclusion the *phobic people are being harassed for sharing an opinion of their own and attacked most of the time.

Are the *philic people actually themselves *phobic, and thus attacking anything that might conform their uncertainties? Is that the case?

Because unless you act upon your opinions you are not guilty of anything. If another is offended by your opinion isnt that an oppression of the sort?

I fear this will one day become a standard in forums that *phobic people should be more attentive to their opinions and shit i mean we are coders if we see beautiful code who the fuck cares what the coder is or represents if ur code is good i fucking love you and thank you. Now on the other hand my opinion of what you represent or what you are offends you? Well fuck sounds like a personal issue!

Fucking twats!

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  • 4
    5y
    I know what you feel.

    I like to code because it’s easy to talk to computers but not so easy to talk to people to understand you.

    Most of those selfish twats probably never give a penny to some human rights fighting organization or help old people with their bags.

    They’re just miserable pawns trying to point people to wrong direction, distract them by expressing their shitty feeling about something that actually doesn’t matter to the machine they’re talking to.

    I feel that’s just normal as programming is becoming more and more mainstream we would get all varieties of people not just people who are good at math.

    After about eleven years in this business I got used to that and learned how ignore it and do my job.

    I assume I can always switch technology, community, job, city or country because I am free person not because some stupid wanker told me to but because I am not animal but human being.
  • 1
    5y
    There’s bullshit on both sides, but sometimes I have to wonder if the butthurt cries of REEEEEEEE aren’t just because most devs are one rejection from going full on Incel.

    Honestly, the levels of misogyny, racism and homophobia I’ve seen in the community (and on here), often make me wonder if the community isn’t due a good shake up.

    I know it’s difficult for a bunch of loser autists (myself included), but c’mon.
  • 1
    5y
    @Brolls the point is racism mysoginy and whatever other fucking label there is are not a matter for any code I'm sure any true coder when they see good beautiful code we don't care what is who wrote it!!! They will gain redirect regardless of sex or sexual orientation or colour or ethnicity!!!
  • 0
    5y
    @m0nk see, you’re projecting your own expectation onto the community.

    Ideally yes, code would speak for itself, but often it doesn’t. Women and minorities face struggles relating to the OSS world and at conferences, the fact is that the work only goes so far, interpersonal factors bridge the rest.

    If you’re being excluded because your code is shit, then fine, but that should be the *only* reason.

    I’ve worked in dev environments that have been actively hostile to myself (gay) and to others (women and PoC).

    It’s a real thing.
  • 1
    5y
    @Brolls well it's not a perfect world i am an oppressed as well but as soon as i grasped my field and proved myself the best there they all had to and i imply i forced them to respect me! Its how the world works my friend
  • 0
    5y
    @m0nk well, bully for you. Your experiences aren’t universal though.

    Just because you were able to, largely often because the situation enabled it, doesn’t mean others will do, and that isn’t always their fault.

    Don’t confuse situationally conferred opportunity with nothing more than your own merit, it isn’t always the case.
  • 3
    5y
    @Brolls 1 thing i can tell u wasnt merit at all .... It was sleepless nights and the will to tell each and every one fuck u
  • 0
    5y
    @m0nk and that’s great for you, but there are real problems within the community that do disproportionately affect women and minorities.

    I concur that a lot of the stuff is mental, like changing master/slave terminology, and enforced diversity quotas etc.

    That’s just a reactionary knee jerk, as is calling everyone calling for diversity a “feminazi” or “liberal baby” or some other such nonsense.

    As usual, it’s far more nuanced and complicated than it seems at first glance, and something clearly does need doing.

    It’s the same argument with people who get upset when they’re fired because they’re an asshole but their code is great; human connection is important, sometimes moreso.
  • 2
    5y
    I'm just waiting for them to multiply more and inevetably start creeping in on eachother's rights, and then going mentally balistic and begin warring between themselves.

    I'll be eating popcorn and roasting marshmallows on the nuclear fallout fires.
  • 0
    5y
    @SauceBoss I never said we needed blanket policies for anything. And I’d certainly never dream of calling someone a homophobe for simply disagreeing.

    I’m all for freedom of expression, and that’s not really what this is about.

    This is about there being legitimate issues of erasure and discrimination existing within the dev community (and much of society); there is no silver bullet, and you’re right, a lot of the time the nuance requires individualised responses, but that’s near impossible to manage in a community with active resistance, broader policies are often the only way to really produce any results.

    I mean, the crux of it comes down to what “politically correct” stuff y’all (and me too) are getting so mad about.
  • 1
    5y
    @Quirinus reserve me a seat next to you but i have a question how exactly will they multiply?
  • 0
    5y
    @SauceBoss I support it, I even support corporate right to discrimination both in employment and customers.

    I don’t support freedom of publishing though, if a private company doesn’t want to publish your views, that’s up to them.

    But I also recognise we exist in a society, we ought to get along and help one another, and that’s super hard to do with some of the aggressively angry ideas on either side.

    There are real problems within our community that affect women and minorities (particularly PoC) and I’m getting real sick of the “fuck off SJW!” rhetoric that gets thrown around.

    Today for example, I saw someone on here bashing Apple’s women’s entrepreneur bootcamp programs; they’re to increase representation in a demographically focussed way. Just because it’s not for men, doesn’t mean it’s discriminatory in that way, or evil.

    I just don’t think either side does a goof enough job at communicating their point, or listening to the other side.
  • 0
    5y
    @SauceBoss I get where you’re coming from, but it comes from a very zero-sum mentality.

    Consider the position of women and minorities, they have an issue of representation within the community; these programmes (while exclusionary) are about increasing representation in a way that provides a (hate this term) “safe space”.

    Ideally it would be for everyone, and there would be programmes for all sorts, but these things are largely driven by increasing representation of under-represented groups, there’s no way to focus on one without “excluding” the others.

    It is discriminatory in a definition-driven sense, but its aim is at driving an increase in representation, and in providing an environment that sets the under-represented groups up in the right way.
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