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@jestdotty You maybe already know but serde allows you to declare foreign implementations for types
So if you have RefCell<T> you can write your own serialize logic (which locks the refcell and then calls the default serialize method on the inner type) and attach it via #[serde(serialize_with = "path")]
*tries to avoid using refcells* fuuuuuck
all cuz serde can't serialize them well but I can build a custom serializer/deserializer. I'm not sure this constraint is worth it
on one hand I would love to just build something entirely in enums with no traits or RC or refcell but on the other hand this is proving to be too hard
rant