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arcioneo7705ytotally you, I mean, developers are not the most social people, but everything is up to you
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It's very lonely, you're just looking at a monitor and don't socialize. I mourn girls who program, because of the stereotype that "only men code". And for all genders, the stereotype is "programming is for nerds". That's why we are sorta left out, sometime I feel a little alienated from society. Feels morbid.
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@Root I can agree with that, I live on Israel. Nobody gives a fuck about programming here, especially if you're a teen (me in my case). I have a very minimal amount of friends that take my shit (programming, that is) except one...
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It depends on where you are.
If you're part of a dev team and the devs you're with arent shit, it can be good.
If they are shit, it will be frustrating.
If you're a team of 1 then it will be both lonely AND frustrating. -
john-doe9365y@Root I'd be honored to work with good woman programmers. I think most of the guys would be. Maybe they're shy and maybe you too?
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john-doe9365y@Root oh, if I'm allowed to make a suggestion may I try saying, try to get along with male coders and/or join those girls code meetups. I have very good colleagues that participate in those things.
It might be a bit hard though at the beginning, but socializing is always hard. -
Root797675y@galileopy I do socialize with male coworkers, at least somewhat (I'm quite asocial). Men are crude and aggressive and competitive by comparison, and never act naturally around women. So it just isn't the same.
I've attended "women in code" meetups, etc. before too; they're honestly very sad. There are very few actual devs there, and they always teach or discuss basic concepts or aren't even about development at all. Being the only senior dev in a room of beginners is lonely, too. -
bioDan56225yYes. It's an engineering profession and an art, both of which occupy a mostly human-to-object(s) interaction and therefore its a "lonely" profession unlike being a psychologist, doctor, teacher, salesman, nurse, etc. which where the work involved is mostly human-to-human.
@OmerFlame i live in Israel and that's not true. "Nobody gives shit about you" is a feeling most teenagers can relate to regardless of their occupation, it has more to do with you being a teen than what you do. You will grow out of it. If you are good at what you do you will shine, regardless of what that may be. -
mksana2465yIn my last company it was great, "constant" (as in regular, not all the time) banter, mostly about code/coding practices/news etc., sometimes about pop culture (movies/series/music etc.).
We all got along well and were a great team, especially in hindsight.
In my current company, hardly anybody talks with anybody, we're sitting there all day in serene silence as if attending a funeral. Everytime I think about it I wanna get the eff out. I'm not exactly happy to go through the look-for-new-job routine, but I hope I'll overcome my reservations about this asap...
As for men-vs-woman ... really reminds me of a saying I heard: When men are amongst themselves, they'll insult each other, but they don't really mean it. When women are amongst themselves, they'll compliment each other, but they don't really mean it either. :P -
Most good programmers are social outcasts because to be good You need to spend a lot of time coding which leaves no time to social activities. And most good coders are addicted to coding - solving a problem gives us high , take a good look at heroin/crystal meth addicts and their social lives - they feel good around other addicts . Its not morbid or sad its just how it is, make peace with it .
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john-doe9365y@Avimelekh I don't think that's true. I think you can say though that it is a part of every programmer life to go through that.
Later in life you learn to socialize and get into activities that are not just coding, but can provide a similar sense of flow.
Is software development a lonely profession or is it just me?
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