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Sources specifically mentioned:
CDC address:
https://youtube.com/watch/...
Interview with recovered patient:
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The way I see it, their view is valid too...
1. We're all screwed and gonna die now or later, so let's just keep things as usual and believe we'll all end up in Heaven
2. You do what works for you, unless the entire world becomes zombies and you're the only one left, nothing everyone else does should matter or affect you
3. This is just nature and evolutions way of population control and survival of the fittest
Not to be evil but from having a genetic disease, I'm sorta like eh either way I'll die but now everyone knows what it's like... I've had my depression/panic stage years ago... -
The thing with your numbers is that they only represent what we do now YET.
We do not know how many cases are there we do not know about. These are typically mild cases, reducing the death rate.
We do not know how many people were infected without any symptoms at all. This number can be quiet high.
We do not know how many people could really potentially effected. Even with a super pandemy, this is usually not higher than 70%.
That means: The real death rate is much lower than 2% to 4%, probably around 0.1% to 0.3%. This is supported by the fact that highly infectable diseases have a low death rate.
Then we end with only one people out of 1000 to 330, which means not one in your class but one or only a few in your whole school, and all of them will be teachers over 50 or 60 years old, and pupils with other heavy diseases.
This is really not much to worry about. It's not a flu, but it isn't deadlier as a flu either. -
@netikras Then you had to stop driving. Accidents in the transport system costs millions of deaths a year.
Or you had to stop go outside at all, because you could be infected and then infect anyone with anything. There are, again, millions every year that die because of infections.
Do you know how many people die while producing your food, your clothes, your computer and mobile phone, your toilet paper that you wish your shit away with?
Death is a part of life. And everything we do costs life to make the lives of the living ones a bit better. -
@netikras I have seen that attitude a LOT and it's one of the reasons I'm so upset with the public's attitude
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@Benedikt I liked your initial comment but that one seems insensitive. Just because death is normal doesn't mean we need any more of it, and it shouldn't be a normal part of producing products. Don't be so apathetic.
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@Benedikt
3 things:
1. people of any profession are aware of the risks. And they make their own decision to either take that profession or not. I do NOT influence neither their decision nor their safety in any way
2. When I'm driving I am in control of my actions. It is my actions that cause me to either drive safely or make an accident. Technical nuances could also have an effect - that is why I pay a visit to the service periodically. In other words I do everything to prevent any negavive influence on me or others with factors under my control.
3. yepp, that's why I'm staying inside most of the time during the risky periods: be it COVID pandemic or just a wet and cold autumn/spring day. Not taking unnecessary risks that could harm me or others in any way is a part of my day. Why would any other sane soul do otherwise? -
@nitnip slovakia? :D
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@AlgoRythm i was referring to 1 in 50 people... its 1 in 500
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@webdev 2% is one in 500? Hmm...
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@AlgoRythm using google as a primary source of info and basing your numbers on occurences on front page of search is, in the age of clickbait media and copypasta news, really dumb
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@qwwerty was just proving a point that the information is readily available. As it turns out, the guy wasn't arguing that figure, he just doesn't know simple math.
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@AlgoRythm i dont have the correct numbers either, long story short the last stats where they calculated it was from china and fatality for NOT ELDERLY PEOPLE but economically active, who you can see and meet on the street mostly was 1 in 500, so the 3% fatality is actually if youre actually meeting with old people, but if youre an introvert it guy like most of us 😀 fatality is waay lower... #statisticDistribution
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@webdev my point in the original post was to illustrate how much 2% really is, 1 in 50. I think that is rather clear.
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@billgates saying it's just as bad as the flu is not valid, it's just bullshit.
Being a nihilist doesn't make it valid to lie about reality. I would be OK with people saying it's not a big deal because people dying is not a big deal. I don't agree but that's a valid position.
But saying Covid-19 isn't more lethal than the flu is just a lie. -
A great statistical analysis on where the pandemic really is right now and what we can know about the real number of cases from the confirmed ones:
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/... -
We don't know exactly how lethal the coronavirus is because people who are infected but show no symptoms may never get tested. The "case fatality rate", which is a lot easier to measure, and is also much higher, is the percentage of people who are tested that die. Both rates will vary significantly between places and times, depending on how widely people are tested, the general health of the population, whether the healthcare system can handle the load, and so on.
TL;DR There is no one ''fatality rate". -
As for whether the coronavirus is more dangerous than the flu, the answer will still be "yes" even if the mortality rate turns out to not be significantly higher.
The flu is an old disease, and humanity is used to dealing with it. We have an effective vaccine, and people tend to have some degree of natural immunity to it as well (from prior exposure, and I think genetic as well). And people who are immune to the flu also generally won't infect other people. Result: relatively small percentage of people get the flu every year, healthcare system can deal with it.
Coronavirus is a new disease. No vaccine, no immunity. Everyone can catch it, everyone can spread it around. Unrestricted exponential growth means that even a small percentage of cases requiring hospitalisation will overwhelm the healthcare system, and without proper equipment (like respirators, for example) fatality rates skyrocket. So we have to slow down the spread to keep the hospitals from overflowing. -
@Georgelemental isn't that true for any disease? If you don't feel shitty enough you never go to the doctor. So the flu has a lower case fatality rate than is recorded as well, does it not?
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@kleopi That's not really true.
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@nitnip you cant have confirmed cases if you refuse to test people.
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Hospitals literally get paid more money for coding a victim as covid 19 then for what they actually died for.
I take precautions anyway and encourages other to because it's the height of arrogance to believe I can't be wrong. Realistically it is just a bad flu if you really like at the empty hospital and the massive over diagnosis fraud just now emerging, the one that's inflating the numbers artificially.
(possibly political, but not really)
I think there's an under-reaction culture around covid19. People are mitigating it to be "just a bad flu" and keep bringing up the 2-3% death rate.
I see that people may have good intentions but spreading lies just to make it seem like the virus isn't bad is worse than the media overreacting.
I'm tired of people just repeating the same "ugh, calm down, it's just the flu!" Just because they don't want people to worry. While panic isn't good, disregard is worse.
The "bad flu" stage is only the second of three stages. Stage one is minor symptoms (so nobody cares if they are sick at this stage) coupled with patients being highly infectious (you can imagine, this is a bad combo)
Stage two is of course the famous "bad flu".
Stage three is fucking respiratory issues including pneumonia, AFTER you have already gone through stage two, which can be rough on its own.
The CDC (not any media) has issued warnings to those at high risk to stock up on supplies and medication they may need. As usual for this sort of stuff, the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions are in the high risk groups.
2% death rate (low end) is one in 50 people. That could be someone you know. 4% (high end) is one in just 25 people. That's the average high school class size where I live. That's a lot, that's pretty deadly.
Stop calling it a bad flu. Stop listening to people on Facebook, CNN, and devRant. Please visit the CDC, they are constantly giving updates.
Stay smart
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