Just for my curiosity. On your trackpad / mouse, do you've a natural scroll or a reverse one? I find very well with the reverse scroll but I have read that the natural one should be the preferred because of the concept

https://jessequinnlee.com/2015/07/...

My setup is reverse scrolling for the mouse and natural for the trackpad. And something I don't know with the track point (push it upwards, move viewport to page top, push downwards, viewport goes to bottom)

I like mouse the most, when using the laptop's controls, I default to the trackpoint for all mouse movement.

It's natural only by name. You naturally don't move a paper up to read further. You move your sight down. That's natural. Making you do the opposite and call that a "natural" scroll is misleading.

The only way it is natural is when you use a touchscreen and you literally move the thing on screen.

I always use reverse, likely out of habit. It just makes more sense to me

Reverse on mouse, "natural" on trackpad

Imo natural scroll should be called reverse scroll.

Or is scrolling by page up/down and arrow keys also reverse scrolling?

There's only one correct way for this to be setup really...

Reverse scrolls for computers with touchpads and mice, that's because this DOES and IS SUPPOSED TO, represent holding the scroll bar. you're not holding the content, its very *unnatural* (pun intended) to view a screen that's 90 degrees to the screen (laptop) or scroll a wheel in a completely unrelated angle DOWN and have the page content go DOWN as well. It makes no sense to my brain and feels horrible.

the "natural" scroll is *for touch screens* where you actually "grab" the content and "pull it" instead of scrolling...

how did we come to the point where *everything* is supposed to be "touch like" even though the peripherals are clearly not designed for that is beyond me and it irks me everytime I use someones device and it's literally backwards of what feels correct for the given device...

*mini rant over*

@Hazarth I guess it's just how Apple works: they do something in a different from conventional way, and then declare their way as the one true way to interface with a machine.

@iiii I think it's not just apple alone. This is imo the result of the big push for touch-ready operating systems... Consider Windows 8, the first big brand that moved to big tappable tiles and scrolling that's compatible with touch.

My bet is that it's just the lazy solution of "let's make the default touch-ready so we can slap it on a tablet and touchscreens (Surface, iPad, whatever) and the user can change it if he's not using touch"

instead of using some sort of device detection

@Hazarth yeah but first company that introduced this feature was Apple and now for example Microsoft has adapted his OS to be aligned to customer needs