I hate the mentality that our only hobby as programmers should be coding. Sorry but I enjoy crochet, reading, video games, and fashion. I'm not dedicating my entire life to coding. If that means it's more difficult to get a job so be it. I'll dedicate some time to coding but not all my time. I hate the kids i went to college with who would judge you if you github account didn't have green squares every single day. Sorry I just can't focus on coding that much. I need a fucking break sometimes. I can't just be a coding robot. Maybe im not meant to be a programmer. Maybe that's why I still don't have a job when I graduated 11/20 and it's 02/02 but fuck. I can't just be a program robot. (Sorry I'm a little drunk and sad)

Were looking for rockstar programmers here, you should code all day every day, forever.

Reminds me of an occasion in which I was interviewing programmers, and the CEO told me half jokingly to ignore the ones that didn't include programming as something they like to do on their free time.

This is why it helps to have programming skill + a 2nd/3rd language; that's what got me my current job. It's not the best thing in the world but it's good enough and the pay is decent compared to the effort.

You've got a point. I was always sort of admiering the people who can pull this off and felt more inferior. But damn I got a life to live and it contains more than coding. For example 100 dentistry appointments! (Ugh...)
On another note, I do admire people who work a certain set of hours qnd then are done with it and go home no matter what.

There's a difference between "programming as a hobby" and "only hobby is programming".

If you don't program for a hobby, you're not going to be a very good programmer. I've never seen or heard of a person where this isn't the case. Anyone who tries to claim this IS the case, probably isn't a good programmer themselves.

However, that doesn't mean programming is your only hobby, and I'd be surprised if anyone seriously suggested that it was. I'd like to think I spend more time programming than the vast majority of programmers (I sit at my computer >8 hours a day at this point, usually programming) but I have other hobbies as well, naturally.

Lastly, if anyone gives you a hard time about having other hobbies, or having programming as a hobby, laugh in their face and pee on their shoes or something. They deserve as much.

EDIT: Also, you don't need to be a GOOD programmer to be a programmer. Know your limits, and be comfortable within them.

I relate to this a lot. I don't wanna write code in my spare time at all. I have so many other things I wanna do and I'm just not that passionate about coding. Know that you are not alone. I also frequently (at least once a week) contemplate if I chose the right career.

Okay.. so.. those are my words. So, thank you for letting them out.

@junon this is bullshit! In 30 years of being a Software engineer, I've worked with many excellent developers who do not develop as a hobby, and I've worked with others who do. There's little correlation in their ability and their time spent on hobby programming. In fact that's not strictly true, some of the worst developers have been avid hobby developers who code at night on their own shitty codebase then come into work too knackered to do anything useful. Some of the best have been avid open source contributers though.

I hardly ever develop outside of work, but in 30 years I've never been unemployed, usually been the last contractor in a client after the others have been let go, had multiple glowing references, so I must be doing something right!

@nibor Yep you misinterpreted my comment. What I said is absolutely not bullshit.

Keeping up on stuff and maybe practicing a few new things that don't get used at your company is not a bad idea but I do agree, it feels like there's too much pressure to do insane personal projects. No one asks a doctor what kind of surgeries they do outside of work.

As for employment struggles, take a look at my profile, you'll find I can relate... It's tough and sometimes you have to even take a few days off from applying

@junon my bad, I interpreted your second paragraph to mean that you thought that somebody needs to be a hobby programmer to be a good programmer, which is not the case in my considerable experience 🤔

@nibor I've been writing code for 20 years. Most people who do not care to write code in their free time whatsoever generally have the worst overall code quality in the entire company.

You simply cannot learn to be a well-rounded, technology-groking programmer by working at a 9-5 unless you have the world's best employer letting you do whatever you want during the day.

I would implore someone to prove me wrong.

@junon so I didn't misinterpret your comment at all then?

My 30 years of experience is the exception that proves your rule

@nibor Mmk, well I don't know you nor do I know your background and I choose not to believe you lol

@JustThat Guess I'm toxic, then. Lol.

You're also really good at skewing words and putting them in my mouth. Maybe try to do that less.

@JustThat I don't post links to my github for obvious reasons, but I'm sure looking forward to your ominous "I bet you're scared we'll see how bad your code is" attempt at a comeback.

I don't really like your attitude to be quite honest. You come off as a humble-braggy type of douchebag that I really don't have the time nor the energy for.

I agree with the OP's text. It is you who are extrapolating falsities from what I'm saying and attempting to use them against me. It's poor form and a sign that you have a weak argument.

Further, you're being a bit of a dick about it, and I don't have the energy nor the interest to really react more than this (final) message to you.

Go be a white knight somewhere else lol.

@JustThat this many. I switched off of github for personal projects about a month and a half ago, hence the falloff.

And no, I didn't disagree with OP. You're just choosing to misinterpret my texts as malicious because you can't seem to imagine a world with non-extreme nuance. Typical American.

Have a good one!

@junon Ah the "my way or the highway" and the "my opinion is the only one that counts and I cannot possibly fathom the idea of being wrong".....typical German.

Fuck outta here with that racist stereotypical shit.

@AleCx04

1. I am american, I can state whichever generalizations I would like to.
2. You making generalizations about germans is racist, too.
3. No, I just refuse to engage with idiots.
4. America is not a race. lol.

@JustThat You are 100% an idiot. :)

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@electrineer Can I have some? :3
I thought my 3 year old was being a brat tonight, thanks guys for putting things in perspective, imma go apologies to him rn

@T33th you can have them all, here you are 🍿👋. It was a lame and pointless episode so I fell asleep and didn't eat.

The trailer was definitely misleading, maybe the part about nazies was cencored from the final version of the play after the trailer was published. https://devrant.com/rants/3912106/...

Once some old guy in LinkedIn (a PM allegedly) called me a failure for not having open source projects in my GitHub account.

#turn work into play

life goes on anyway...