Driving though Malmö today is like when you've got five stars in GTA. Blue blinking lights and roadblocks everywhere.

Did I miss something?

@Ranchonyx

Just a normal day

@Ranchonyx @Linux There's a big conference against antisemitism, but they located the participants hotels on the other side of town, so there is a long strip of road closed right across the whole city...

@Ranchonyx sweden is also a syrian battle field. Where ex IS and Kurds shoot themselves in swedish social housing.

@NickyBones It's only antisemitism if it's white nazi scum beating up Jews. Imported Muslims beating up Jews doesn't count as antisemitism, but as multicultural enrichment.

@NickyBones How comes it wouldn't be that? Just curious

@ScriptCoded

Like a normal day in Malmö

@ScriptCoded Yeah, why wouldn't you host a conference against antisemitism in a place where you have imported tons of Jew-hating Muslims? What could possibly go wrong?

@NickyBones I once made a role play game model of progressivism that reflects their reality extremely well. Works by score assignment in conflicts, and the one with the higher score always wins.

@NickyBones Existence:
+4 not white
+2 not male
+1 not hetero

Actions:
+4 for actions incompatible with Western culture
-4 for right wing (defined arbitrarily)

@NickyBones If a Nazi (-1 at most if lesbian) beats up a Jew (minimum +0 if white, male and hetero), then the Nazi loses. If a male hetero Muslim migrant (+4) is the offender, he acts because of Islam (+4) and comes out at +8. The Jewish victim loses even if she is lesbian (+3) and non-white (+4).

What about gays and muslims? A white gay earns +1 while a migrant gets +4 even if he is just a hetero man. If the gay is also a migrant, he has +5, but the bully migrant gets another +4 on top because beating up the gay is multi culturalism, that's +8, and the gay loses again.

What about suppression of Muslim women? They get to +6 (or +7 if lesbian) while the male hetero Muslim only has +4. But since he is acting in a multi cultural way, he gets another +4, yielding +8, so the female victim loses.

@Fast-Nop
That is a way better definition of contemporary Cynicism than Wikipedia offers.

@NickyBones Here's the problem: Jews have contributed to Western culture. There are disproportionately many Jews e.g. among scientists and other fields - anything that requires excellence.

That's something progressives will never forgive Jews.

@NickyBones Nothing I've heard about, but I guess that's the problem. Though we don't really have a mayor. But yeah, the police seems excessive. It's practically never like this. I've never seen it before in my whole short life

@Fast-Nop Sounds really fun, we should publish it as a mobile app! You know mobile programming, right? I don't know mobile, but I'm really good at presenting ideas! We'd make a great team!

@NickyBones Yeah, your PhD career didn't escape me in this regard. It gets even worse when you have success through your own hard work and intelligence - that's something progressives also hate. You'd score better with them as drug addict on social aid.

@ScriptCoded Well I'm good at embedded stuff, not at mobile, and the only mobile dev thing I even use is the Android NDK for raw C programs. :)

@NickyBones The Jewish exodus isn't just Sweden. I read the same about France - and even Germany, although the mainstream press avoids covering that.

Some years back, Jews even approached the German right-wing party AfD - and the answer from the right-wingers was like "sure, you're Germans, be welcome." That's the same party that also has people arguing over crap like the "honour of the German military in WW2", so they are pretty right-wing. And their female lead is lesbian. Quite strange.

@NickyBones That move was controversial indeed even among German Jews. Their central council condemned that - but it's also lack of better options, except leaving Europe altogether.

Meanwhile, I can just hope shit will still last for another generation, then I'll be gone anyway and don't have to care.

@NickyBones Which I think is pretty sad. I regard Jews in Germany not primarily as Jews that happen to be in Germany, but as Germans that happen to have Jewish faith or tradition.

Indicentally, I dislike all three Abrahamitic religions because I think the angry desert troll they revere just sucks, but Judaism is the only one out of them that won't bother others so that it's "you do your thing, I do mine, and we don't interfere with that stuff."

@NickyBones There is a reason why the Egyptians dealt with Akhenaten swiftly and brutally so that his idea of monotheism got stopped. The Neteru in Egypt were not actually gods, but we don't have good translations for that.

Having a polytheist tradition implies that some concepts comparable to gods are always somewhat at odds with each other. That leaves the people with a tradition that has to cope with mutually contradicting aspects instead of having The One Truth.

@NickyBones
Rarely there are occasions where leaving isn't an option - this is one. You will find xenophobics everywhere (well, maybe except in Israel for your case - but that country is basically defined by being constantly at war...).

Better options:

- Just don't tell the baddies your religion.
Religion isn't as easy to spot as skin color.

- Get involved in political activism to raise awereness and show the non-jews, that you are just normal people too.
This option obviously is way more risky than the other - but the potential benefit is to reduce antisemitism for everyone.

@Fast-Nop Oh I'm sure you'll figure out a way. We'll split the earnings 50/50!

@NickyBones

Won't get in to this whole political discussion though... Never ends well, partly because I've usually not read up on things well enough.

@Oktokolo You just won't succeed in raising awareness for antisemitism with Muslims because they are already perfectly aware of it. By and large, they condone it, at least tacitely.

I have a co-worker with whom I was already close at work for years. We bonded because we both like chess. At one occasion, he told me he was a Jew, and I joked "now I see why you're good at chess", which he took in good humour. :)

@Fast-Nop
Not all muslims are antisemites.
But in Europe, awareness campaigns would probably mostly target the majority of the casual conservative "christians".

The goal isn't to convince the extremists, but to raise goodwill in the non-extremists. Then, when the extremists act, they will meet at least some resistance in the general public.

@Oktokolo What "resistance" would that be? Some tweets or what?

The thing in Europe isn't the oldschool antisemitisism. Sure, there are always some native fringe idiots who don't get that Auschwitz was a bad idea, but that's not what is on the rise and makes Jews leave.

@Fast-Nop
Nobody cares about tweets. But it makes a huge difference whether the public just looks away when thugs beat someone up - or at least call the police.

If most don't care, the ones who care, have free reign.
By default, that are the extremists in current societies.
But it doesn't have to be that way. There are low-risk ways to help.

@Oktokolo Calling the police is formally correct, but pointless. When you need them, they are not there, and when they are arrive, they are useless.

What would help is stepping in directly and using brutal violence to sort shit out. I am fully capable of doing that, but then you'll face rabid judges who don't understand such situations because they are shielded middle-class folks with no experience in street violence and its requirements.

They are at least as dangerous as the thugs themselves, so better don't step in and just let things happen.

@Fast-Nop
That shielded middle-class folks could be made more aware of the reality on the street. Then they maybe would judge better.

@Ubbe
Religion is just a tool for bonding a group together and control it by defining their world view.
The same can be achieved by other means if you don't have a hundred years to groom a new religion.
Tribalism and propaganda do work well too and the Nazis really excelled at it.
Not sure, how the communists did it - i guess, they just applied harsh brutality against "their" own people. And that obviously somewhat works too - especially while being at war and literally fighting over your own land.

By the way: Watch Riefenstahl's movies, they not only show that excellent propaganda execution in her works for the Nazis, but also should still be the gold standard for movie making - but sadly aren't.

@NickyBones
The group of angry youth shouldn't know your curiculum vitae and after some years of experience, nobody else is interested in it either.

But yes, if such groups exist and roam your neighborhood, that is alarming indeed.

WTF happened there, that the youth has no better things to do (like playing games or mating)?
If they blame others for something, that most likely is, what happened to them (but most likely not due to the ones they blame) or what they fear will happen to them.