All these companies not going the full 100% remote and requiring one day in the office, would it kill them to do 100% remote? My current role is fully remote and were spread through many timezones and still manage to work well, why don't companies see this and give an option atleast to be fully remote for developers?

I only understand this if you're in the same city as the office (although it can sometimes be a problem in places where you commute one hour in each direction). Even then it should be "It'd be nice if you show up in person a couple of times per month", not something forced.

Lol, my company is having this conversation now with people that have joined in the lockdown. They want us to either move city or commute 2+ hours one day a week.

No.

@atheist idk what the benefit there is, do they want their office spaces to be full of something? What is the advantage? Because even before COVID all my meetings were on WebEx because there was always one or more people in another timezone or location

@kamen yeah current company has an office and open to whoever wants to come but not necessary

@pandasama the rest of my team are in a different country.

I have literally no idea why they care if I'm in the building.

I'm an extreme, but people keep encouraging me to stay remote so there's a precedent and I'm just like "I'm either fully remote or finding a different job so don't worry too much".

@atheist yeah whenever recruiters contact with job posts I always say has to be 100% remote, I'm not desperate for a new role so want to assert this full remote preference as much as I can for devs

@pandasama I think that's another part of it, like others are a little insecure in their job, haven't been here that long or finances and stuff, so they're reluctant to argue. It's well established at this point I don't give a fuck.

@atheist "Here's a calculation of the COL increase I will require to acquire a residence and move to the city."

Would be how I'd start that conversation. And if they balk "Very well. You have 1 month to start looking for my replacement" is how it would end.

@ComputerToucher lol, I'd actually be moving out of London, so my COL would go down, but there'd be no fuckin people around so my mental health would go down too. Fuuuuckkkk that.

Just don't want to. I've been approached by 2 other companies in the last few months about interviews and such, so yeah wouldn't take me long.

My company is still trying to enforce that people should be in the office for at least 3 days a week, because the CEO and the rest of management miss the office life. We've been remote for a couple of years now and 2021 we hit the biggest profit ever seen in the company's history.

It really feels out of touch at this point, there's so much efficiency to be had from just allowing people to have a choice that's crazy to see how some organisations are blind to that.

Me and a colleague have been asked to migrate from being remote to being 2 days a week in office. All of our coworkers in our teams are abroad, and we don’t have meetings in office. When asked if there was leniency, we were told it would be under a ‘gentleman’s agreement’, and when asked if we could subsidise our travel costs, we’re told it would come out of pocket. That would be fine if it was 1 day a fortnight or something, but travelling 80 miles to the nearest office, on 4 hours of trains just to sit there, do my job like normal, and not be compensated for the travel is just stupid.

We’ve both handed in our notices and gotten fully remote permanent positions at a different biz. Too many corps living in their blissful past of office culture and water cooler chats. 99% of digital offices are redundant.

@Vagabond more power to you! Very happy to hear that you found a full remote job, hopefully let that company know how costly it will be for them to retrain someone new, remote work should atleast be an option