So, like, why doesn't Java let me do manual memory management? In C# if I want to screw up the code-base and everyone that comes after me with my half-informed experiments it totally lets me.

Simply put (very simple) because the GC is directly wired into the core of the language design.

@IntrusionCM I wish to control the pointers! Bring them to me!

Doesn't the jvm do the gc?

@jonas-w yes it does. The jvm is also the part of the specs

Java does run in a VM aka JVM.

The whole design for the language - despite it's shortcomings for modern hardware - is around this central core.

Now the second part of core foundation is objects.

Java is at it's core a language specifically designed to avoid pointers "externally" and hide it. Objects will be garbage collected and the design of the core VM evolves around these core concepts.

One of the reasons Java hasn't had Value types till now is this...

You may lookup Project Valhalla - which is the major taskforce behind evolving the VM.

Note that a lot of stuff is really... Deep knowledge about what Java does and why. Black vodoo if you aren't into language design etc.

@IntrusionCM sounds interesting

@PeterDCarter https://openjdk.org/projects/...

@IntrusionCM yeah I'm reading. Thanks loads for identifying :)

@PeterDCarter No problem.

Always a pleasure to lead people to torture their own minds. 🤣

Because Java is meant to always be memory safe, you're simply not intended to do manually memory management

@IntrusionCM Jaya also. Well, at least that was the initial Java promise.

(Disclamer : I didn't write a single java code line in about 12 years, no idea the state of java right now)

@NoToJavaScript never heard of jaya?

@IntrusionCM with 11k points, I though it would be beneath you to point up a typiong mistake :)

But yeah, jaya is well going !

something something, java is a language explicitly without pointers, something something

quote: the creator of java

@NoToJavaScript I wasn't sure what your comment should mean... I couldn't make sense of it. I thought Jaya was a project name, not a typo

@IntrusionCM someone's gotta write that stuff......

@PeterDCarter ?

@IntrusionCM I mean, without going through that sort of mind torture would anyone be able to contribute to the core of an established language (and get the fame and adulation that comes with it 🤣)?

@PeterDCarter some people try and wonder why they get yelled at and are called idiots....

:) 🤣

@IntrusionCM presumably because all the kiddies want to be some permutation of Linus Torvalds

@NoToJavaScript so that's not the java virtual machine version of Maya?