Got myself a new work computer. Aside from setting everything back up, it's been an absolute treat. I didn't even have to move to Windows 11.

Why Dell feels the need to put 7TB of garbage, including literal adware that spews notifications, escapes me. All it does is hurt their reputation.

I would have been allowed to build my own from scratch, but I didn't even ask since it's been so long since I built my last machine and I don't even know where to start hardware wise these days.

12th gen i7

GTX1080 that has all the video memory I could need

RAM just pouring out of the thing

I'm living the life.

Dell is confused. They thought "Download More Ram" was "Download More Spam".

Dell. Reputation. Gnnnnihihihih.

bro! it's 2023, you are so 2010, switch to Pop! OS ...

@mansur85 don't be the hype guy

@iiii but, bro! you know i am right

@mansur85 nope

@mansur85 don't be so 2021, let people do whatever they want.

Besides, plain old Ubuntu with Budgie DE is good enough for me 👌

The GPU is of the 4th newest generation. I wonder if they charged your company as if it was the latest and greatest.

@electrineer I chose it because it's what I have at home and I know it works. Also, spending $1000 vs $600 for an unknown variable wasn't worth it for me. I don't do graphics work, but my tools use a lot of graphics memory, so cutting edge isn't terribly necessary.

@mansur85 I work in a Windows environment and our customers use mostly Windows. I'm also the main IT guy, as well as the lead developer, so I need to be able to support all of it with minimal headaches.

I work in Debian with Mate DE in a VM at home and work, which works well. Migrating full time to Linux would take weeks that my workload doesn't allow.

@cuddlyogre i believe you bro! i switched 2 years ago, full switch on desktop and laptop, no more linux at home, it were 6 though months, but now i am so happy i switched, i cannot tell you how happy i am now.

many times at work my windows machine (which i dont like) made my work twice or three times so hard ...

@thebiochemic hshshshe okay braaa!

@cuddlyogre wait for the newest AMD GPUs and buy an previous version of AMD GPU, it costs half of the price for more than half of the power, for a GPU that has twice the power to run any game at 1080p@60fps (quality settings medium)

@mansur85 What do you mean, "no more Linux at home", and then Pop! OS?! Or did you mean "no more Windows at home"?

Also, yeah, wait for buying any AMD GPU because you don't want to pay the high early price and on top of that get a worse product with shitty drivers. Buy later for less money and get a better product.

Except if you do anything other than rasterised gaming with your GPU, then AMD is out of question because they have missed the future.

@Fast-Nop sry i realized it too late, i meant no more Windows at home

@Fast-Nop y? has AMD missed the feature, what are they lacking of?

@mansur85 CUDA/ML/AI, RT, NVENC (for streaming), rendering.

@Fast-Nop ML/AI is coming, it will be even included in the Ryzen 7040 APUs ...

@Fast-Nop as far as i know they have already an RT alternative and they have FSS or what the name of it way for upscaling games, STEAM DECK uses it

@Fast-Nop AMD has full open source drivers perfectly made for Linux integrated into the Kernel, and it has full featured somewhat blobed half open source special drivers for special OpenCL usage and other stuff ( i dont really know what the second driver is for )

@mansur85 ML/MI is not coming because the whole software stack is on CUDA. That's because AMD has missed the boat for at least a decade. Unless they manage to offer something that can run CUDA applications, whatever AMD offers will be DOA. That's the price for being late.

Similarly for RT - AMD does not have an alternative, but is trying to catch up. I think you're mixing up RT and DLSS.

OpenCL totally sucks, Blender even removed it. AMD now has the HIP API instead in Blender - but its performance is abysmal compared to Nvidia, so AMD being unsuited for rendering still holds.

Actually, AMD is still struggling with total basics such as monitor suspend without GPU crash and shit. Though that does get better late in the product cycle, which is why you shouldn't buy freshly launched AMD stuff.

@Fast-Nop

okay, I am now on my Linux system, so RT is there, it is just on software, and this will be poured into hardware very soon, https://quora.com/What-is-the-AMDs-...

concerning the DLSS, there already has been an improved version of FSR, which is used in the Steam Deck as far as I know, https://allround-pc.com/news/2021/...

the ML/AI stuff on the Ryzen 7 (7040) chips is real, and they will bring that feature into every higher end APU, see for yourself: https://forbes.com/sites/...

@mansur85 Ofc AMD GPUs can do RT - just not with any serious performance. The 7000 seem to be better at that though, but still way behind Nvidia. In fact, the gap has widened because RDNA3 is lackluster while Lovelace is a leap forward.

The 7040 is irrelevant because it's a laptop chip, you simply won't get anywhere close to a 4080 performance in CUDA. Also, the HW is not the point because the SW ecosystem is on CUDA, and nobody will change.

That's why I wrote that if AMD doesn't offer CUDA application level compatibility, at the very least at source level, better at binary level, then whatever AMD presents is DOA.

@mansur85 In fact, AMD isn't even trying anymore in laptop, desktop, and dGPU. Their market share in these domains has gone down, not up.

AMD doesn't care because these markets are collapsing, so AMD instead focuses on other, growing markets (such as data centre) because that's much more profitable.

@Fast-Nop

okay, I see it now, you mean they have not established CUDA or any similar platform, but I am pretty sure, they will be there in 1-2 years, and that this will maybe not be enough to defeat NVIDIA but at least create a secondary platform that will be runnable on APUs, (emulated on) CPUs, and their GPUs

AMD is coming out of an deep since 5 years, it is okay, to give them a bit more time, they are not only competing against Intel on the server market, the desktop market, the laptop market, they are competing against NVIDIA on the gpu market, and with other embedded systems chip manufacturers on different other markets, they are only a small company, you cannot compare them to Intel or NVIDIA ...

it is a fight David against Goliath, and AMD is definitely our David in this game

@mansur85 I actually doubt that AMD will even be able to do that because they have that awkward split between their RDNA and CDNA product lines.

Nvidia doesn't have that, which is why CUDA has taken off that much: because you can dual-use a consumer card also for CUDA. AMD just won't achieve that amount of mindshare with split product lines.

Also, even if AMD finally presents some useful SW ecosystem, but if it's not compatible to CUDA, then it's already doomed from the beginning.

So that's two obstacles right there, and you can always count on AMD fucking up in some weird way.

Btw., I say that as a 6650 XT owner, and the GPU is nice for Linux rasterised gaming - but it took AMD way too long to get their shit together with their usual driver quality issues that impact both Linux and Windows.

@Fast-Nop

I am not that pessimistic about AMD's future, I am very optimistic about their ability to simplify, combine, and optimize stuff, and I am nearly 100% sure, that if there is a split, it is based on license agreements or patents or such stuff, e.g. the "closed-source" Linux driver of AMD has that issue, AMD would not need to do that, if other patent owners wouldn't force them to do so ...

but I am sure, Dr. Lisa Su, knows how to resolve such issues ("money")

@mansur85 Sure AMD will be able to solve that in terms of profit. However, nothing suggests that they would improve their dGPU situation.

In fact, RDNA3 pretty much falls short of the expectations AMD had stoked, in every way: performance, energy efficiency, drivers. Plus that the pricing is also off. But so what, AMD makes their gaming money on consoles.

So while AMD's recent earnings call was fine, considering the market situation, part of the reason was that they pretty much abandoned the collapsing desktop CPU and dGPU market as well as the laptop market.

Btw., their earnings are much better than what the the GAAP results superficially suggest. The non-GAAP results are more relevant because the difference is mainly the writing-off of the stock trade for the Xilinx merge. These aren't actual costs.

So while AMD seemingly just broke even, the actual organic 2022 profit is a billion dollars, with other segments making up for the losses on Ryzen and Radeon.