The 19th day each month is the German unofficial "tax payer day". Because we start working for our own salary, not for taxes...

Good luck getting to work without roads and railways and what not. Oh and isn't like electricity and one of its prerequisites, a national electricity grid, kind of beneficial for most types of work?

Also not having succumbed to some infectious disease way before reaching working age is also fantastic. Healthcare systems are good for that.

@gloslistan you just described life in Russia

@gloslistan
So, someone must not complain about really high taxes (ca 40-43% in worst case) but it is fine that there are a lot of people living on the base that someone else pays taxes?

The problem in Germany is how much money you have to pay to the state.
Also: everything you are listing here is payed in other ways, except maybe the electricity grid although I imagine that the electricity firms are doing that nowadays and you pay them after all as well.
Roads are payed by road taxes, not included in tax deductions of your salary.
Cards for the train are expensive as fuck today.
And although social security payment is deducted from the salary, it is not payed as taxes.

And, you know, there are countries next to Germany which have far lower taxes and still the state has much more money. For example the VAT is much higher there. But this is fine because that means that the payment of taxes is better shared between everybody. So if someone gets money from state, three money comes back

@DelError areyou talking about the netherlands?

@Codex404
Actually Luxembourg. But if it is similar in the Netherlands then this would be an example which works as well.

@DelError to be honest Im not sure, at the moment as trainee Im not earning enough to pay taxes.

It was never my intention to say that this is bad, but I think people should think about such things, and this includes working times solely for taxes. I know what they're used for. To allow us to retire with a relatively low pension, to finance job search for the ones who doesn't have one. Or allow the jobless to live in a flat, not on the streets and so on....

@paradonym
"Allow us to retire"... In Germany?
I have no idea how old you are, but I am quite sure that until I am old enough for retirement there won't be enough money left for retirement payments in Germany.
If you get a payment then at all it will be far too little too live from.
And if it is slightly enough, you need to pay taxes on that anyway. The latter is already a fact today.

"Job Search for those who don't have one". Honestly? If someone has no mental or physical disability, one should be able to do job search on their own.
Also, from a lot of friends who had to deal with our "Arbeitsamt", you hear nothing good at all. Usually they don't help you finding a job but just tell you to do some course which has nothing to do with your profession and threat with giving you fewer money if you don't do it.
Or they propose you jobs outside of your profession. But you must apply there, otherwise you get less money...
Sounds helpful, yeah.
None of them found a job that way.

Holy shit that's alot of taxes