Why don’t we create a worldwide union? We are in every companies, by being coordinated we could obtain anything

we're past 8 billion in population, let people be exploited, some need to die to cut down our numbers anyway

What is it that you're after really? Money? Information?

@Sid2006 Remote working for everyone. Not against a strike for nurses and teachers to get more money though. My point is that our economical impact is big enough to ask for anything

@Tounai No it isn't. Remote working for everyone works only when the government mandates it in your country.

Covid is now over so companies rather have the employees in front of them so they can justify their managerial salaries.

@Sid2006 Don’t forget that those companies are nothing without us

@Tounai I don't know what to say to that.. 🤣

I guess you haven't gotten the memo that we are replaceable no matter what.

phuck no.......

This would cause a push to replace most programming jobs with AI. If enough push is put on this someone might succeed well enough to remove most developers. This is a self destructive effort in the long run.

Because as the case of @Demolishun demonstrates people will internalize the futility of opposition or get swayed by bribes and so the majority of the population won't join. Nascent unions need enough people to exert pressure but not so many that the members don't trust each other, which is why they usually emerge in concrete companies whose workers already all know each other or at least see each other daily.

Also, you can't just oppose all companies because you're inviting them to unite. I think that a modern labour movement needs to force competition by improving the clarity of competing job offers.

Who is we exactly? We that use devrant? We that write code? We humans? We that understand English?

Maybe all software developer should only work 8h per week and not more. We may get less money first but when the demand increases, the salaries per hour may increases enough so that developers will earn more money despite much less work.

@mansur85 Not sure why you think that way, but i upvote because it is a funny comment.

@lorentz huh? We have huge unions in DK, they are not related to a single work place or company but across most of the field they cover, that's what makes them strong - workers can go on strike and basically kill a whole function nationwide (truck drivers did it when I was a child, shit was wild in the local grocery for a while!) Teachers have done it, nurses (though less effective because the state basically says 'lol, you can strike but only those of you that aren't needed to keep things going') and many other groups at one point or another. Shit works - when the garbage collectors stop coming by, people listen to what they have to say :-p

@ArcaneEye Yeah but these are old unions that are implicitly trusted by new hires, right? I'm talking about nascent unions.

I'm all for this btw, I'm just not sure how it would get started

umm, devrant has 100k installs (and about 5k active users) while IT sectors have more than 50m employees.
try to get this tiny union to move even 1 company for wfh

Who would control the union?

Would participation be compulsory?

What options would a person have if they disagree with the decision of those that control the union?