A non dev has no right to pass judgement whether a dev is good or not. Be it engg manager or a product manager or any other manager

not true - customer support can say that you ain't a good dev if they have to tackle rude or arrogant customers because of unstable software that you created.

So can managers and CEOs if you fail to make the company a profit.

You can write 4 lines of beautiful and efficient code and pat yourselves on the back as much as you want, but in a professional environment you are judged by how much money you make for the company.

good in what?

in knowing about tech, yeah they cant judge what they dont understand.

but a dev is like any slave in a company, u have tasks to do before a certain date and if u do them ur good, if not ur bad. if u do more tasks in that time ur great and deserve a raise or a promotion. they can judge u based on that.

if u said the deadline can be met, and u didnt meet it, then u will be judged, if u said it cant be met and they insisted they can go to hell.

i think that's all there is to it really. Whether u do it in cobol code that craps dinosaur shit or in shiny svelte code running on magic kubernetes nobody gives a damn.

we are devs, cogs in a machine, slaves that make our masters millions so they can crap a few pennies our way

I agree when it comes to tech skills.

It's kind of like if a manager was a sports coach but couldn't see the actual game - they just read a brief summary of the results (without individual player stats) without knowledge of who did what in play by plays.

But then again a manger can say "this might be a great programmer who knows all the tech...but they're uncommunicative, don't follow the spec, and have cost us a lot of issues and confusion so I can't work with them"

This is like music. You probably aren't a musician, yet feel entitled to an opinion on whether a piece of music is "good" or "bad".

Objectively, you can't judge on its musical quality without having musical background, but we interpret good and bad as "I like it" or "I don't like it".

You liking it is related to a myriad factors besides musical quality, and yet you feel entitled to your opinion.

This is the same, but with managers and dev work.

They might not have the necessary background to judge technical quality (beware with this, I've seen too many junior fumbling for not knowing their manager's actual background), but they may be responsible for a myriad other factors that dictate whether they like your work or not.

@CoreFusionX yup gen z doesn't like beethoven

@kobenz nope just a machine that is supposed to give out code