Don't forget to declare your pubic functions!

A framework can't make your code "a mess" - you as a programmer can :)

But it is true - laravel forces you to be much "cleaner" with your code than CodeIgniter

You're using floats aren't you? 😀

@mk3d yea, i just got used to mvc frameworks from day one. Started with codeigniter and moved to laravel. I never looked back since :)

@gummy i never used doctrine but i think eloquent comes with relationships and polymorphic relations built in. Takes like a minute to set up all the models and all the relationships you can think of.

Also - it returns native laravel collections you can easily work with

It's a core part of Laravel - the only way to go when it comes to PHP MVC. Pure love right there 😁

What!? Dfox sent you a girlfriend too!? I only got the stickers! That cheeky bastard *shakes fist*

Hmmmm is there a fuuuuuuuu.js (give or take a u) 😄

Oh yea... happens to me very often. Like when you keep hammering on it for hours with no luck and it suddenly hits you at the most random time after.

Programming is a love-hate relationship 😁

So, i'm really interested what exactly is it that makes you say "you can do anything" on linux? What stuff can't you do on windows? Not trying to argue - i'm just curious.

@tytho take a peek at laravel lumen

You know nothing! If this was a modern art gallery - people would've payed millions to have this hanging in their living rooms!

@RazorSh4rk and you should - If you know the language better and feel comfortable using it - it's a perfect choice! Just like any other language fit for rhe job

@kshitij it's just your regular hipsters that jump on the php hate train whenever possible even when it takes me literally seconds to prove my coworkers i can do whatever .net can with laravel - only faster :)

Ofc - im talking about web applications which are our core business

*stands ready for more php bashing*

Jawdropping 😱

*hugs his PHP code* you see this? I will never do this to you...

Well, it literally says "something bbad". What did you expect? 😅

@quanqchau yup - most frameworks/orms do nowadays

Um... why is naming tables in singular better? Makes no sense to me. A table contains multiple rows of entities - users, clients, cars, whatever... i always use plural.

Models are singular, but controllers are not

@g-m-f you know what... maybe i am 😳I should grab a cup of coffe before posting

I instantly reignited my eyetwitch after seeing "sharepoint"

Actually, backend would just get extra blame for not working :(

@UnknownDev Codewalker?

@xalez or just use div for no apparent reason with no classes/ids.

I always get an eyetwitch with stuff like that. Also - tells you people have no odea what css is, how it works or which html items are block items.

Noobs... noobs everywhere...

We must go deeper!

@Eariel you are making the assumption the are actually using source versioning 😅

Oh yea. Or you push something to your test server and keep refreshing in wonder why you don't see changes until you realise you keep refreshing the production where no changes have been made 🤓

@PoweredByCoffee exactly! It just so happens more people "know" php than other languages but that same guy would've made a crap job with any other programing language.

Sooo basically - when everyone and their grandmother is using flat color UIs you just come in charging with shadows and gradians! Oh you rebel you 😅

@k1rushqa oh god no. No, no, no, no! Did I say no already!? Wordpress, Joomla and Magento are a perfect example of awesome CMSs for a client (familiar frontend with easy access to everything).

However - they are also a perfect example of why most people facepalm when you even mention PHP. Most of the stuff "under the hood" is a huge mess.

Laravel is not that easy to learn at fist - but once you do - it spoils you with all the goodies available and it's pure awesomesauce.

As long as you keep in mind WP and the like !== PHP, you'll be fine.

As previously mentioned, pick up a modern php mvc framework and welcome to the club 😄