@eval I understood everything you said. And then I also said that the world is more complicated and difficult than your overly simplistic world view would like it to be.

So I’ve not “not listened” or “ignored” what you had to say, quite the opposite. I listened.

Then I threw your opinion in the trash, because it’s not a valid world view that incorporates many other people other than yourself.

@eval sure buddy, I am already onboard with the plan, that’s no surprise and no secret. It’s you bunch of childish crybabies which have your panties in a bunch. Go fork the software and make your own github or gitlab if your delicate sensitivities are too upset by renaming a branch.

Adults will just get on with life

@Wisecrack I’ve spent hours laying out the reasoning not to have it all pushed aside and the person repeats themself without ever seemingly trying to understand what I’ve said.

It’s like a never ending circle, you get asked a question, you answer it with a significant amount of information. The person says “what about...” and then you answer that, then after a while you can clearly see the other person isn’t interested in listening or understanding, they’ve made their decision before you even started.

So at the end, why bother? It just seems like these people want to waste your time without any intention of understanding why things are happening. They just want to scream and shout into the void about something they have no control over and can’t seemingly bring themselves together and act like adults and think about anybody else other than themselves.

So yeah, fuck it, evolve or die. Let’s try that method instead. I’m done wasting time on these idiots

@linuxxx as already explained, not all uses of the word master imply a slave. Those that do as will have to work to get them to be dropped, those that don’t, won’t have any problems.

If you missed that the first time, then it probably got buried in the blizzard of text messages. But that’s my view on the matter

@thatDude sorry, but I just don’t care about this anymore. Fight all you want, it’s ultimately a waste of your energy and mine. So I’m gonna cut my losses. You can grow and learn, or resist and be steamrolled. I ultimately don’t care. I tried my best to explain it to you. But you can’t force a stubborn horse to drink water. Have a fun life getting steamrolled :)

This is evil, I love it!

Why not both?

@linuxxx or put even more simply.

People are more willing to stand with fascists and racists against the BLM movement, than change a branch name on their github.

Just imagine being that type of person. Because that’s the type of person you’re describing

@linuxxx I’ve literally answered each of your comments and replied to their context. The problem you’re having is that the closer we get to what you’re truly saying, the more abhorrent it sounds, which is why you’re so upset about my last comment. Because it lays bare the nasty truth of what you’re saying.

It can be stated thusly: “People aren’t wanting to support black lives matter because they feel they are going too far, but the other side of that coin is full of racists, fascists, and demagoguery”

So if wanting to clean house turns you into somebody who sided with racists, then what type of person were you really, truly, in the beginning?

That’s the ugly core of the matter

@linuxxx you said that people are being driven away from the movement because of things such as the topic we are discussing. That’s it’s going too far for them.

So I’m just stating that if renaming branches and depolarizing language is enough to drive you into the arms of the fascists on the right, the side who laughed when George Floyd was murdered. Then I’m saying good riddance to them.

How is that putting words into your mouth? It’s a literal restating of what you just said ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@eval ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@thatDude hold up, you’ve never seen master and slave used in a racist context before? Are you serious right now?

@linuxxx quite rightly too by the sound of it. Maybe you should start acting like the intelligent person you claim to be? Instead of sticking your head in the ground and purposely ignoring the issues that you’re being faced with.

@thatDude imagine the thought process.

“I was with them until they started changing git branch names! Then that was one change too far! So I decided the best course of action for me was to change sides and be with the fascists and right wing hate mob that happily cheer when black people are murdered by cops”

I mean, that’s effectively what you’re saying, that people would rather side with those guys, than depolarize language to be less offensive to certain groups of people.

So yeah, I’m glad they left.

You know there is an old German saying. Paraphrased, it goes like this:

“If you sit at a table for a good drink and something to eat with 10 other fascists, then there are 11 fascists at the table”

Just saying.

@thatDude Good, Bye Felicia.

Seriously. If renaming branches on github is a tipping point for you. Then you were never really supporting the situation in the first place. That type of person were the literal virtue signallers.

I’m happy they left tbh

@thatDude the last March I went to had everybody, I dunno from where you are drawing these conclusions from.

More people moving to the right? Good. All the fakers are falling off and only the real believers are left. I’m ok with that

@eval it’s not a fact though. It’s your subjective opinion based on not wanting to believe what racism is. You’ve concocted this roundabout way so you can claim you’re being oppressed too.

You’re effectively trying to derail the discussion so it can never be resolved in a way that doesn’t benefit you. Regardless of what the correct solution is. I’ve spoken countless times with people who hold similar opinions. Say similar things. And come to the same incorrect conclusions.

You can’t be racist against whites people, because whites people are the controlling, dominant force.

You can be biased, you can oppress them, but you can’t be racist against them. Since racism is a systematic property. Not a localized one that you’re attempted to demonstrate

@eval no, I didn’t, are you so out of arguments that you now have to stoop so low as to twist other peoples words?

Not a good look mate, have some dignity and try to be honest in your discussions with others instead of doing silly things like that, it makes you look bad

@RTRMS sure you are, nobody has stated otherwise right?

But you’re NOT the only black person in the world. So think about it logically, rationally, as a programmer.

There are other people, not just you, who are affected by this. And guess what? Shockingly, they don’t agree with you.

So by all means, keep your branches as master, tell other people racism isn’t a problem because you’re ok. Argue and fight with people who are trying to help to change the world.

But this isn’t just about you, I’m thinking about the millions of people who do benefit from my actions. Not the one person on devRant who disagrees with me.

You said context is important right? So there you go, plenty of context there.

@RTRMS that’s my thoughts too, but I’m still willing to play chess with you in the hope you you eventually learn something. But it doesn’t seem to be the case.

@linuxxx it’s not racism. If you’re a white person. You’ve never experienced racism in your entire life. You might have encountered discrimination. But that’s a different thing.

Racism is the exploitation of the discrepancy of power between two groups of people, from the powerful group towards the weaker group.

Racism is systematic. As in the entire framework of society is pitched against an entire group of people and this is all pretty well documented and discussed.

But I doubt you’re going to understand this since you apparently can’t understand things until they personally affect you. Your lack of empathy is astonishing to be honest

@RTRMS I’m personally not offended by those words. But I can see how they have positive and negative polarization’s and I’m happy to change them since it requires no effort on my part that I won’t be paid for and I can make somebody feel more included.

It’s not psychosis, or dumb, or deranged. It’s called empathy. Something you apparently lack

@linuxxx this issue isn’t that complicated man. Why can’t you just listen for a second.

We just want to depolarize words that we use as developers which have specific contexts that imply something that is bad, banned, blocked, worthless, as a “black” something. And something that is good, accepted, permitted, useful, as a “white” something.

There are plenty of other usages of those exact same words which won’t need to be changed because they don’t also attach a negative bias to them.

I’m sorry if you can’t see why it’s important and I’m sorry if you think it’s unnecessary. But other people do think it’s necessary, and those people are in positions of power.

I’m not in that specific position of power, but I agree with them.

Not out is psychosis or anything dumb like that. But out of a genuine desire to see less polarized language in my work environment.

I’m not virtue signaling. I’m just a reasonable man who agrees with their sentiments.

@RTRMS am I using too many long words? If draw you a picture, would that help?

@RTRMS so you think people making rational decisions based on opinions that are clearly spelt out is psychosis?

So basically, everybody who doesn’t agree with you, is crazy, right?

@RTRMS I provided context, moron. That’s literally what I’ve been doing in my comments.

@RTRMS wouldn’t a vast minority be a majority? Isn’t that how those two words work?

Surely the reality of the situation is that *YOU* are the minority and isn’t it true that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?

Think about it.

@linuxxx google that video about Mohammed Ali asking his mother why everything good is white and why everything bad is black. You’ll maybe start to see why people want to change this language to something that has a less polarized language.

@RTRMS and you’re free to do that, but you aren’t the only person on the planet. It’s about everybody, not just you.

@eval how do you not know I don’t already do some of those things?

Maybe instead of jumping to wild, unsubstantiated assumptions. You can start to address your own dismissive attitude when it comes to the problems of others.

You appear to prefer when people protest in the way you think is appropriate, or talk about issues in a way that you agree with, you’re not in control of those elements of this equation and you’ll never be.

If you don’t want to support the movement, that’s fine, but don’t tell others how they should do it, cause it’s not your business.