@c3r38r170 un argento acá q raro (?

@SortOfTested the saddest part of that is that the indians looks those numbers as huge.

@Root monthly. Here, no one talks about an annual salary, the inflation is a joke

@Root :c

@Root it was a reference. There isn't a decent laptop that's under a salary

@Root hmm 'hardware is cheap compared to the payroll' doesn't apply to the majority of peripheral countries.
Here, for example, a Macbook costs like 3 senior sallaries xd.

Wtf their aren't in debt with u

Well, I worked with a team which has staging as production, development as staging and 'development_local' as development.

Me/myself XD

@soapmactervish absolutely not. I'm thinking about how anyone can be wanted by a company without being known.

You're talking about those devs that are famous and worked for Google or sth similar?

@asgs XD no. I mean something that, if done bad, could have an extreme negative impact on the product.

Like a payment platform, self driving cars (a huge more, but for instance), etc.

I hate the feeling of 'no one cares if that fails'.

@C0D4 Yes, I understand that's why all are blaming the lang. That's the initial sentence on the post. "The fact python is mainstream and attracts most juniors doesn't mean that it is the worst lang ever".

Every time a language becomes mainstream, the community ends up hating it instead of hating its users. I think the perspective is wrong. I know that's how the communities think, but I don't like it.

For math stuff, for example (ignore ML, just like a bashing lang for doing sth related to the field) is the best.
Ruby is not the best at nothing in my opinion.

Those langs u named can be very ugly if on juniors hands, but more because it's purpose is not to have a clean syntax than because of the language itself.
Ruby and Python both share this concern.

@C0D4 Agree in part.
I think the avg of those bad cases achieves how bad a lang is.

In Python you can do very silly things (I'm not python lover omg) but, in my opinion, the avg junior performs better on python than on ruby.

There are more juniors on Python, of course, is the "lang of the future and dollars", but imagine the scenario in which Ruby occupies that role... it could be insane.

Anyways, I don't hate Ruby. It's beautiful.

The post is Python tagged, my rant is about why hating py so much when Ruby performs worse in most cases?

@Root Well, I confess that I'm a bit biased for the horrible Ruby codebase I was working on.

On the other side, I know that those dirty things aren't on serious Ruby projects but, for me, the quality of a language is measured based on the worst cases, not the best ones (like algo complexity). How much a junior dev can do shitty things?

And there is my problem with Ruby: it includes batteries on dirty things (maybe not Ruby per-se, but it's frameworks and libs mostly do, that's why I said culture). It makes easy to do everything, which is beautiful, but that's including the undesired parts of the lang.

Going back to the example, Rails, for example, includes batteries on doing weird things with strings, like the constantize method.

p.s. my English is a shame, I'm trying my best

Same. On an online broker...

@metamourge Yes, I like the absence of unnecessary parentheses and the if kw reuse.
But its fmt is horrible and that doesn't seem go-like for me. It's more idiomatic to skip the else block giving a return in the if, and that affects directly on how else if seems.

But I think the most important thing that makes the if else very underused in Go vs other langs is that in Go there aren't (in general, when compared to the rest of langs) that much of use cases from my perspective. Maybe because of select stmt, errs as values (and switch ofc) but mostly because the Go community is always promoting "make it simple".

I only like it in Go. It accepts a multiple match case and it's more idiomatic than else if (in Go else if is very weird) .
But yes, otherwise, I don't like it.

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Oh u aren't getting the point there. They did data science with ui.
People with are mentally healthy will go 'close and restart', while JS devs go 'ignore and reboot'

@Fast-Nop sadly, we'd still have tons of "https isn't really needed always in my particular case so particular and specific" idiots :(

Being "who is not a devops but is the least worst in the team" is incredibly painful.

@cbsa I think the problem here is that you are trying to develop with it in a non idiomatic way.

Go without orm is lovely for me. No magic.

Although, if u want to do it anyway, go gorm

Slave is for me a man who is being forced to do something. All the time. Without prize (or desired prize).

If you work for your employer instead of making your company, that's your decision.

If you pay taxes, you're forced, yes, but you're not a slave. That's so dramatic. And im from Argentina, here taxes arent cute.

A bit exaggerated. But ok

@Fast-Nop like all JS beginners?

The before-after sick are both horrible