Firefox 57 (Quantum)

Haha that's true, sadly😂
A classmate of me always complains about shrome eating too much RAM and its loading really slow and it really sucks browsing the web like that. So I'm like why not use Firefox then?
"Shrome is the best browser"

I never liked firefox to be honest. While I helped with some webdev project it turned out that it is more simillar to IE than to Chrome in terms of rendering content, that caused us some troubles.

If it comes to RAM, which is most common argument against it - I may be wrong, but I think all extensions, account synchronization, background processes, etc are the cause. Also getting more RAM is a solution Kappa.

I use it, because it is comfortable for me, as I already use Android and Google account.

Arguments like that they collect data about me is also partialy invalid - every site/company can do this nowadays, I don't care anymore. It is hard to be completly invisible.

I never really could get used to Firefox, that's why I'm still rocking Chrome.
I have tried to use Opera though, pretty similar to Chrome but I ended up switching back to Chrome again.

Dev tools.
Nothing beats chrome's Dev tools

"But I can I inspect elements in Firefox too..." Yes yes ofcourse it's good enough for small hobby projects but doesn't even come close if you need to use it all day every day for work.

simply because chrome is still faster, has more support for html5/css3, has tons of great features.

yes chromes is faster in every aspect tried on 3 of my machines ans also tested by some colleagues

PS: I don't use chrome but facts are facts.

@linuxxxxxx You Are like the polar opposite of your counterpart with less x-es 😄
I love it!

@Lahsen2016 Don't see the need when chrome has all that built in.

Well Firefox Dev Edition has great dev tools built in, and for some reason my Chrome's dev tools have been slow lately, no idea why.

@Froot

I used to love Firefox. But I stopped using Firefox at the height of Flash. Having multiple tabs running Flash cause the whole thing to crash, and, being a kid at the time, my whole web experience was queuing up a bunch of funny fun flash games and videos so I could play one while another was loading.

Chrome didn't have this issue. So I made the switch and never went back. Despite the death of Flash, I'm pretty much integrated into Chrome. Without significant reason to change I don't see the point.

@Jop- here's the link
http://commitstrip.com/en/2017/...

Their license states that it can be used for non commercial use. Illustrated blogs,articles.
I'll try to have link and state the source whenever I can.

@jAsE Which version are you using? I'm on windows and so far I've never had FF Dev or FF Quantum crash. In fact its so reliable at this point that we're talking about deploying Quantum to every machine (in the place of the old FF) and setting as default (apposed to chrome). Not to mention the old plugin system is out and the new is in along with the fact that Quantum and Dev have a brand new UI that is 100% customizable. You like your bookmarks on the right hand side of the URL bar? No problem

@jAsE They have themes you know... And you can always use Stylus to change the actual websites looks too.

@linuxxxxxx I've done the exact same with colleagues and friends (testing) and Firefox beats chrome by a few ten's of miliseconds. Next to that I like Chromium's dev tools only they often point me to wrong lines or give me 'anonymous' functions while Firefox just shows them.

And to all people who'll go like 'but you're not a frontender': I'm not but I've done front end for years and still have to do it more often than I like.

Seriously, I like chromium but the fact that chromium with just one tab eats 1,5gb of ram on my laptop is a nope for me.

I Love the comments of this !rant. *push*

@linuxxx well I don't know but i used ff for a week it was too damn slow to load pages i had to drop it

@Froot :D why do you say that ?

Maybe it's because people aren't going to change their entire workflow for a 15% increase in speed.

@linuxxxxxx It was hellishly slow a bit before quantum. But quantum is pretty fast. I wanted to switch to Firefox, but did not due to slowness. Eventually switched with quantum

There's shit ton of benchmarks on the internet. In a lot of them chrome wins in almost all aspects, but in some the quantum is winning by like 5% where it doesn't really matter and loses by like 200% on heavy stuff.

@linuxxxxxx Fair enough, so you're back to Chrome or Chromium now? I do use Chromium sometimes but only sometimes really

@Froot If you're a web dev you need to use all major browsers anyways.

@Lahsen2016 Firebug war integrated into Firefox' dev tools and has now been discontinued. Back in the day it was the best dev tool you could get (better than chrome).

You just made me feel empathy for a friggin browser. A browser.

Is Firefox the new Dvorak?

I just find Chrome to be wayyy more reliable. Especially because I like to have all my tabs re-opened when I start up the browser again, Chrome works perfectly 99% of the time. Firefox is always a gamble, sometimes it reopens the tabs, sometimes it doesn't. And I hate gambling

Firefox always feel like a bit less than chrome.
And the UI is missing something. Can't print out what though
Also the web audio api in chrome is amazing

Recently I've switched to ff 57 as it sure made a good impression performance wise (always have been a Chrome guy).
While usually it's really good, it still does not offer me separation of environments (personal, work, dev) and when something gets really heavy, whole DE is unresponsive unlike with Chrome (tab just gets killed).
Eg, when bootstrapping angular application, this kind of thing od super annoying - 2-3 min lag like I'm on Windows :p
Plus not every DE supports tabs in titlebar which saves a portion of otherwise wasted screen real estate..

@Brachacz Separation of environments is offered by an official addon (developed by Mozilla): https://addons.mozilla.org/de/...

I think they're currently evaluating if they should integrate it into the browser itself.

@linuxxx when on linux i use qutebrowser on windows chrome i use Windows to play games 99% of the time so not that much browsing anyway

@Froot Firebug is now an integrated part of FF and is therefore discontinued.
Tbh, I'm doing web development every day on my job, and I find FF Dev Edition's tools better than Chrome's. When you make such statements it sounds like it's been ages since you last tried FF

"...uses 1.5gb on ram formjust one tab..."

Just a thought ... You paid for your ram, so why don't use it?

(Yes chrome is famous for using ram, but also had this with FF ... So ... Go with the devil or the deamon ... :D)

@linuxxx "doing frontend" is not the same as being a full time frontend developer. I "did frontend" for years before taking a job as a frontend developer and the difference is huge.
You can also "do frontend" in notepad++ but should you if you do that as your full time job? No, ofcourse not. Same with Firefox.

Also it seems to me that the wrong line problem you're having is an issue with sourcemaps. I still don't get the anonymous function issue tho. How can Firefox name a function that is anonymous? Does it then just make up a random name? 😄

@theCalcaholic For testing yes but for development you still use one.

@aaxa You're right. I haven't given it a through review in ages. I have opened it now and again and even tried it's devtools. It's all weird so I usually just go back to my good old trusty chrome that does the job perfectly fine.

@Froot I was the same way for months. I installed FF Dev edition, tried it for an hour and went back to Chrome. A week later I decided to give it fair chance. And tbh, the only thing I use Chrome for now, is for my Chromecast 😂

@aaxa @andros705 Why change what works tho? If chrome starts giving me issues, sure, I'll look into alternatives. But till then it's just extra work with no benefit.

@Froot I just think FF's new developer tools are better than Chrome's, that's all. If you're not willing to give it a try, it's fine, I'm not here to persuade you. I just think you're missing out :)

@Froot Well in my case, I'm trying new things from time to time and check if they improve my work flow. That's why I tried Firefox beta 2 months ago (when I heard about the Quantum beta release) and found it much better than chrome for my use case - even on Android.

It gives me everything, chrome does (on terms of features as well as speed and reliability) plus some really nice extras.

Browser addons on Android for example are a game changer for me.
I also love the FF Screenshot tool and that it doesn't call home.

@aaxa @theCalcaholic All fair points. I'm not at all worried about chrome calling home tho.

Also, can you search other sites in the address bar with Firefox like you can in chrome?

Like type Y, hit tab and write what you want to search for in YouTube. That's a killer feature for me.

@Froot I'm quite sure you can. I noticed that they have Google, Wikipedia, Amazon and other stuff there. So I'm almost sure you can add more :)

@Froot I just tested it, and you can. YouTube is not there by default, but you can add it with 2 clicks :)

@Froot I'm doing that all the time. :)

They also offer a dedicated search box next to the url - but I never got why this should be advantageous so I disabled it in the settings.

@Jop- actually the oatmeal requests the opposite of this.

I simultaneously run FF and Chrome to do different stuff

@theCalcaholic
Nice but too much effort has to be invested to take advantage of this instead of just firing up separated window :(

@Brachacz What do you mean exactly? :)

Im of the FF side of the box.... Chrome is bad in my opinion. Why? it all started out with almost 0 addons for chrome compared to firefox. It still doesnt support half the stuff firefox does in terms of customizability.
Also dev tools better on chrome? Havent seen a single thing that chrome has that firefox doesnt in terms of generals dev tools. Addons? you decice since they arent made by the original devs.
Also chrome renders elements badly... it had the 1px border not displaying bug for years. It also does not load all the images on a page if the process is too slow (it just skips some of them) while FF loads all of them on the fly now.

Quantum is faster even with dark filter for the pages!

@theCalcaholic
You have to long press new tab button for every separated tab and the tabs are mixed between windows while in chrome you just setup another user and have a nice container with own set of extensions, config and history

@Brachacz You can do the same with Firefox. Just setup multiple profiles. But I think the other version is easy now convenient.

@Lahsen2016 Firebug is dead my friend, i am sorry for your loss.

I switching over to Firefox because chrome occupies toooooo much ram on my old macbook pro...

@Froot Firefox Developer Edition

@MonsieurMan Wat

@MonsieurMan

@MonsieurMan Never seen it...

@MonsieurMan Neither did I. 🤔

@MonsieurMan I believe you, it just never occurred to me.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_b...
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_b...
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_b...

When they get around to fixing 10 years old bugs with their rendering engine, I may consider Firefox... IE had problems with new stuff, in Firefox not even old stuff works properly.