Github Copilot is a dumb little shitstain

For the past years I've been trying to periodically give a go to various copilots every time they made an announcement like "our next version will replace programmers, it will make singularity look like child toys"

Unfortunately and unpleasantly, in 2025 copilot is the dumbest shit ever and even junior coworkers can produce better code.

I can make it do only bovine code like class mapping and simpleton tasks.

Delusional

AI gets worse and worse over time

every time AI peeks into public consciousness it's like this

I can't tell if they degrade or humans just evolve past them and bore of them

You have to keep on typing and typing until it understands you and then tab to oblivion. I'm amongst the 0.10% hardcore tabbers: https://codeium.com/profile/retoor.

Codeium learns your writing style amongst the whole project and if you program consistent, you get autocomplete of a whole function in exactly your style of writing often. I was working on an API client. The AI had quite some methods as example. I added one method called 'delete_comment' -> tab -> done. Since the API was consistent, that was correct too. Am i lazy? Nope, i'm among the 0.55% coders spending the most time too :) So i do tab tab tab very long.

You were totally right about the LLM and angular in some posts ago. By much coincidence a friend of mine complained about angular support using LLM too. He used qwen2.5(30b?). It does indeed say smth about angular I guess.

@jestdotty what AI? GPT is quite consistent, we keep running on a model from past year. I don't use the 1o. I use 4o. My kind of questions don't need reasoning and else I do the reasoning myself :P

@retoor I don't wanna pay money for auto complete

I did have a trial for a bit but it was spotty if it got things right or not. it started great then made mistakes later it had no issues with before

also if its code suggestions are so garbage and my code is so much better, and if I'm paying, it feels weird because it's like I'm teaching it how to code better and it's asking me for money for the privilege. feels so cucked

makes me think there should be code complete exclusively trained on code of a specific language and nothing else. that would probably be vastly better. just fast Google search for code snippets, and the model should be small and fast because not much went into it. does it even need to be a model? could be markov!

@retoor it happened last time AI popped up in the internet consciousness with Bing putting it on Twitter

it seems to be irrelevant of model. all of them degrade over time. seems to be fundamental to how they're built somehow. it's like they disintegrate

@jestdotty if the ai learns from it's input, does that mean if you interact with it and it gets dumber..

Nvm.. I won't go there..

@DarkMukke lol well it ceased guessing my code. so it wasn't learning from it

they seem to disintegrate over time. it's like too much training data gives them hallucinations. they fracture somehow

@jestdotty you don't have to pay. Codeium is free plugin for vim and vscode. No ads, nice stats, fast.

It looks like people (normies) aren't praising it to high jesus any more and becoming disillusioned. And I think that's causing a recovery in the dev industry, but I haven't looked at the numbers.

@jestdotty If the AI learns from its self, it will start to degrade

@retoor unfortunately copilot has learned the patterns from works client's shit repos any recommendations or “just switch?”

@BordedDev it seems mostly the train on your own codebase so in general it's not shit I guess. Try codeium for free! I use free version too. I have no idea why someone would do paid. No ads, works also under vim (I use vim and vscode). I have no idea what they could do better. Maybe code generation is limited or so? I don't use it for that. For code examples I use Chatgpt. My love for it is based only on autocomplete.

@retoor Sure, I guess if you were in a corporate env it would probably be perfect since it keeps a consistent style, but these repos were made by “cheap” contractors, and I'm a contractor coming to fix it (aka I touch a lot of different code styles). I wish I could limit it what it can learn from, since it also infects cross language.

I'll try codeium again, last time I used it was a lot worse than copilot (~2 years ago or however long copilot was announced)

@BordedDev don't that shit snoops your code and send it to them?

Not nice

@IHateFrameworks You can opt out, I use the companies' license

@BordedDev ouch, two years is like 100 in AI world. Well, I'm very interested in your opinion soon. If it got better and how it is in relation to copilot.

@retoor I'll let you know, preference of how long? (since it needs to “warm up”) That's also why I mentioned how long ago it was

@BordedDev I have no idea how long warm up period takes. I know a lot of my head and just kept trough typing and at a certain moment I could do tabtabtab. I just ignored it at first. I thought it was interesting what it came up with anyway. Thinking about why 😁

@retoor Probably because it's like peer coding, one who gets smarter. And can show where certain issues are, had it find some kinda obvious bugs when telling it to generate tests for my v0.1 work

@retoor ok found codium but now it wants an account -.-

gross

@jestdotty yes, it keeps stats. That's one of the good parts.

ok so far

it gives little popup things I can click. but no matter what I ask it to do in the popup things it does nothing

and it overwrote my autoformat key to open a little chatbox so it broke my damned workflow

and also did I mention I hate vscode. it's such a piece of shit. finding the panel for the keyboard hotkeys don't exist in settings, so I googled it it said command console. ok I guess the stupid hotkey for command console. find keyboard and it wants to open a website. um that's clearly not my hotkeys then. finally find the hotkeys. finally figured out through trial and error what the codeium thing is in there and deleted it. vscode is a piece of shit. what app thinks you should overwrite hotkeys you already have with no warning. or thinks hotkeys aren't part of settings. there's an awful lot of sus settings things in the settings no less, cuz I was browsing through it for a while under codeium. grrr

well anyways so far this AI does nothing. probably cuz I've not logged in

I made an account with a random email and it still can't figure out I've logged in

it's rebooted my vscode various times and it's still not logged in

if there's a manual version to put in an auth key, which it implied somewhere, I can't find it

and the website where I'm logged in has no generate auth key but it does have a pricing section where it tells you that after all their product to you is NOT free forever like their marketing says

why am I trying this again. this is like cancer.

I did find in the settings that they automatically signed you up to newsletters though

@jestdotty oh, at my laptop it slamed that auth box in my face a lot. It's crtl+shift+P and then codeium: "Enter authkey or authorize" is in the list.

ok this thing is so bad

it's both telling me I have redundant comments on a piece of code with only one comment line

and that I need to make more comments

it's like it read clean code and it's trying to justify its own existence

@retoor yeah I had to click cancel and then it opened a webpage to generate the auth and that had instructions for it

I had coffee earlier and it's fogged up my brain but I also woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning or irritated for whatever reason so the bitching will continue indiscriminately

INTUITIVE DESIGN!

@jestdotty i'm only vouching for the auto complete. Some other feature I use is selecting code i want and do ctrl+i and say something like "Make all variables camelCase" or smth when i mixed up.

@jestdotty codeium is so based, it works on vim and web interface! https://amber.molodetz.nl/ is a browser vscode instance for example with codeium enabled. Self hosted codeium is so awesome!

this thing is just popping out buzzwords. it's making me annoyed. it talks confidently about things I already wrote and suggests I write them... are you blind, you fuckwit

surprisingly it was correct that I'm locking a mutex in this swarm proxy (version 1, I have 3 versions now) thing but in reality this code works better than other versions of the code and if I am locking the mutex the whole time I have no idea why when I run this code it's actually multi threaded perfectly fine 🥴

wish it would learn things I like so it would cease offering me suggestions I do not find valid

@jestdotty yeah, it will not give you better code than you already have, after enough typing all it does is completing you based on code that you've already written! :) But that makes you to do tabtabtab at a certain point because it knows you so well. If it would fantasize its own code, you couldn't do tabtabtab because you wouldn't agree on most stuff, just like how it behaves in the beginning.

ok tab tab is kinda nice

I finally wrote some code and all I had to do is tab tab

@jestdotty yes, and the more you write and it trains on you, the more tabtabtab. This delete_comment function it generated on itself and url everything was perfect in one tab: https://molodetz.nl/retoor/... It had get_comment and post_comment already as example.