You know.. it's funny and sad at the same time.. that in this industry you have to either play the office politics game.. or at a minimum not play by the rules and deviate to your own advantage.. because if you play by the rules, 1) That limits your progress tremendously and 2) lets you be controlled by others, including your career

Yup.

It wasn't until I met my current boss that I started noticing people uttering the phrase 'Does that make sense?'.

Boss does that a lot. ...mostly after saying something that doesn't.

@D-4got10-01 wait why is he saying that...

@jestdotty To justify his bullshit logic.

...or as I like to call it '!logic'.

any time I complied bad things happened to me. I'm actually wondering if this is a constant in metaphysics. I need to do more tests but I'm too anxious at the consequences or whatever you wanna put it as. I'm pretty sure it's all fake all the way down though

last time I complied with something I lost the things I most loved about life and several years of my life and I'm still not back to how I was lmao

it wasn't even a big deal to me. it was nothing to me. but it cost me everything. so I wonder if I should be paying attention to this dimension of existence far more than I have been. perhaps i've been a fool. but how do I gain the knowledge to know?

@D-4got10-01 oh it's like saying "no offense" before saying something offensive...

but it doesn't make sense. if he's asking you to do things that don't make sense, then what do you do? do you just ignore what he said? do you do literally what he said and hand him the failure, or do you do it your way and hand in the working thing?

in both those cases I always got canned. if I point out it doesn't work / talk through it to finding an actual solution, then I'm a problem character. if I do it how they want me to and it doesn't work, then they tell management I'm incompetent. there's no winning move

@jestdotty Yeah. Same for the 'Please && thank you.' when they ask you something retarded, but think that they're the polite ones.

I used to say that the way they want things done was bad / idiotic, tried explaining. Provided good reasons.

Boss wouldn't listen... knows best.

Now I just tell him 'Yes' because apparently I have a shred of self-preservation, knowing that if I press too much, I'll get fired.

All in all, complying for now w/ boss' bullshit, until I find something better.

Also, yes - these people tend to never admit their mistakes. They'll just shift the blame on you either way.

Which is hilarious, given the pay is supposed to be adequate to the responsibility of a person.

When that person takes no such responsibility, the high pay they're receiving is no longer justified.

@D-4got10-01 That fucking phrase makes me pull my hair out.

@jestdotty I don't think I have met more than one person in my life who questions metaphysics in relation to reality. Interesting... determinism vs. chaos.

Will your actions ripple the fabric of metaphysics? Will one input equate to another output?

And so.. hm.. I think complying then may be you doing the wrong actions that don't compute with your presence in this universe and so it will cause chaos, but that would mean there is certain determinism to your actions. It would be better understood in a model.

I would say, try the other inputs.

Morpheus: "Do you believe in fate, Neo?"

Neo: "No."

Morpheus: "Why not?"

Neo: "Because I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life"

@CaptainRant gotta be honest I downloaded a metaphysics book once and tried to read it and figured maybe if I kept reading it it would click but I have no clue what I was reading and eventually dropped off

I just take the literal meaning of the words, meta (in reference of self) and physics. so it's like strategy, game-theory, karma

you can extrapolate it to math, so to speak

so it's like, why is murder bad? well if you kill people eventually their family and friends are gonna wanna kill you. if you try to be witty and instead make people into sheep you're also fucked -- they end up passive, unable to take and make your tribe stronger, unable to defend against external raiders, etc. or like how dictators fall apart, eventually they shoot the messenger and then everybody is too afraid to tell their boss the pitfalls in his plan, so he ends up failing in his endeavors (lol, meta)

@CaptainRant and yeah ok possible complying bad if it goes against you

hmmm

I'm not totally sure that always works though. because I did that and found out it didn't. I worked for people who threatened me, but I didn't do the work because of the threats. they were pretty narrow-minded though and it seems they may be thought that's why I did the work. that was sad. I wanted to be known for me, and instead I guess it's like they take credit because in their head because of their forcefulness at you they think it was themselves who did everything

so it's possible some level of needing to guess people's intentions, if it's to try to make you comply against your will, might be necessary

... and now I'm thinking out loud. I don't think compliance-pushing people believe in you having a will in the first place. so they'd never intend to crush it. they simply disregard its existence in the first place

tbh anyone who wants compliance is probably not a good person, because disregards will

@jestdotty We had metaphysics in college and I found it profoundly interesting. We talked about Newton, Leibniz, Pascal, Descartes and how they view reality. Newton would identify as being among the universe and things being physical references, Descartes would identify existence as being a conscious thinker "I think therefore I am". All very interesting.

You refer to 'self', hm, but it can depend on the context, metaphorically or not.

The difficulty with metaphysics is that they build upon tons of abstractions on top of each other and for that you will have to learn every axiom from the ground up. lmao

Oh, the concept of good and bad.. it came back in our Sociology lectures, 'good and bad' being mental safety nets that don't exist. That's also a challenging thought.

@jestdotty Goodness, that is a fucked up situation you described there. Sad people in indeed, but I applaud you for stepping forth in your sense of self. I see that context was needed.

Those people who don't believe in you having a will can go fuck themselves. I have free will and I don't work well in environments that expect me to be a good little robot. I'm a strategist and idea-creator, not a drone. These people are very wrong about you.

Compliance-requirerers are indeed narrow-minded.