You know, I'm getting tired of this HR-speak in job applications, specifically this:

- [tech] has no secrets for you

What, really? So I am the undisputed and absolute expert of - let's say - JavaScript? Do you know how long it takes to master that so that it holds no secrets? It even holds secrets to decade-long experts! The same goes for most other technologies in software development.

Sigh. Hhhhh. Ree.

JavaScript whispering into my ear: "I‘m actually not a programming language".

Me: "Yeah, I know that"

JavaScript has no secrets for me.

@Lensflare So you know exactly why in JavaScript 0.1 + 0.2 = 0.30000000000000004? Why is it not a real programming language? MDN refers to it as both scripting and programming (I assume because of its modernization to back-end). As far as I know, a programming language is one that allows you to write independent programs and has its own constructs, and a scripting language is locked to be housed inside a single container program (e.g. JavaScript originally housed to be interpreted by a browser engine).

What is your take?

0.1 + 0.2 not being 0.3 is actually not JavaScripts secret or fault.
It’s the consequence of floating point arithmetic implementation standard (something with 3 Es) which almost all languages use. Or to be more exact, most CPUs/GPUs use it.

Of course something like mdn is calling it a programming language. They practically adopted it as their main language. C# is like a neglected child now.

The label of a programming language has started to be assigned to JS as its popularity grew. It was literally for that reason alone. Many people code with JS, so it’s a programming language now. Nothing technical was changed to rightfully be deserving of the term programming language.

But that wasn’t my point anyway. Of course I don‘t know every little detail of any language.
But do those languages have something that I would call secrets which I don’t know about? Nope.

@Lensflare Yes, IEEE754. Interesting. There have been public dev talks where experienced developers call out JavaScript for being at fault for being 'weird' in this case, which makes me question their expertise.

Yes, I see the MDN bias.

I am a bit confused there as that logic does not seem to hold sense. Many people use it, so it gets redefined? People are strange sometimes. Strange decisions.

I define secret as something that I am not aware of, such as those details. I imagine a team lead assuming from me that I know my way around JavaScript and not that I have to spend an hour of research on every detail. From experience, it 'wastes' time, at least on the client's side. Someone who knows JavaScript in and out would have no problem dealing with its quirks, which is often what you're hired for (and from my experience).

for one probably that company is full of egotistical liars who misinterpreted their own understanding of anything

but my clever ass is just thinking it means "I can just ask and the information will be revealed to me like it's nothing". like by opening a book. would be valid answer during the interview I would think but I would be concerned who else got hired with expectations like that lol

... this isn't even what dreads me when I read job posts heh

you define secret as ignorant

there is also genuine ignorance and willful ignorance

I've seen people blame others for genuine ignorance and it's so willfully ignorant of them. you'd think willingness to learn would be gold. was when I was growing up! anyway they don't change their mind 🤷, so the ignorance is willful 😁

secret means obfuscated to me. like encrypted passwords, or secret societies that won't tell you what's inside. a friend that won't say what's up. you're just supposed to hide the information. hmm maybe they meant you'd teach people? doubt they're that advanced. I think they meant you wouldn't be willfully ignorant (but then asked so strongly only the willfully ignorant would be ignorant enough to take it!)

I am too funny

@jestdotty Thanks for spotting it. It's always tricky to figure out what companies are spewing bullshit. Companies that call their fresh grads 'industry experts' or 'engineers' or whatever the fuck unicorn title.

Yes, I can just ask. That's right.

Did you know that employers are onto AI cheaters now and they put a clause in their interview process saying that if you use AI and not your own words in the interview, you are disqualified? lol.

Job posts are energy-sucking.

@jestdotty Hm.

Willingness to learn to be gold.. yeah.. I learned years ago that employers don't give a fuck about it. Either be a unicorn or a big-ass gloater. That's how you get to the top. lmao.

I can't stand staying ignorant, so I always try to stay up to date.

Yes, I think you defined 'secret' better. Good analysis there.

You are very funny. You are super funny.

> '[tech] has no secrets for you'.

So the position is for a senior / expert or anything beyond that, right?

/s

Yeah, thought so.