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also I have a feeling people were depressed before the job so made the job atmosphere depressing for everyone else. it's like a psychological tug of war
some people take "pride" in their depression, so walk around wanting the world to burn and harbour "fuck you" attitudes
I seem to get mistaken for that sometimes which confuses me. like if I wanna make things better and people say no they think I'm gonna be malicious but I'm not. I'm just gonna protect my energy and it has nothing to do with malice. it's just boundaries so I don't get involved in stuff that will total me -
@jestdotty Yaaaaaas.
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@jestdotty I find it brings down morale if people answer questions in a flat and careless way, but it's better than not answering.
So you are a refactoring genius, hm? Companies definitely need someone who's good at that.
Quick wins are one step closer to happiness? Heheh. -
@BordedDev Of course I can't magically explain why someone gets fired, but a common thread is:
* Management doesn't like you and conspires against you to make sure you will get fired. They will always smile in your face, you will never suspect it so much until it's too late, but you already knew because they started treating you like you literally stink. Output won't have to do with it; it'll just be their excuse to fire you. The true.. true reason is they don't like you.
Usually the good dev in this case has no problems and will usually thrive if he has a good fit with the team and keeps outputting enough. Of course, it will get problematic when output isn't enough, but some companies will be understanding and try to coach you through it, while others won't care and will just kick you out, security included. -
@jestdotty Yes, I know people were depressed before the job; you can see it in their faces of despair and yes, it doesn't help morale. They have that "I'm barely making enough money and I don't care about the job or the politics, please just let me enjoy my life" face.
Yeah, the pride depression ones are very contagious...
I also get mistaken for that and people told me it's because I don't smile. lol. It's admirable you have your boundaries. People definitely need boundaries. -
@CaptainRant Nope, I've worked with him, it's speed to get things done, it's rarely been an issue with management. It's great until something "quickly" needs to get done, which he can't do, he has to do the tests, documentation and the like. And speed has been a recurring critique for when things get hairy. IMO he should work for a larger company instead the more start up like companies he's been working with
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@CaptainRant idk if I'm a refactoring genius I just do it a lot
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@whimsical well this is what I see. you'd think people wouldn't be self destructive but they are
if they can't save themselves from destruction what chance do you have that they won't total you with their issues, too? sigh
Good dev: test suites, documentation, tracking
results: decent coverage, more predictable, more maintainable, saves time and money, accountable to stakeholders, happier team thanks to transparency
environment: matured middle-sized to bigger company who takes things seriously (because they usually have to if they work in a heavily regulated sector)
Bad dev: idgaf attitude, let's just run with it and see what happens flow, go for bare minimum happy path
results: a new bug at every possible situation, mystery bugs, an endlessly-growing backlog where people in the team are so depressed no one cares what ticket to take on, morale goes down crapshoot and so does code
environment: start-ups who want quick wins and make money-based decisions only and whose budget is being guarded by the higher-ups
I've worked with a bad dev before and also with a good dev and I appreciate the difference. lol. Nightmare.
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