As you start managing people, you understand why you read job listings requiring attributes like "Passionate about creating things" or anything like that.

When you see people not proactive and just lazy in a group, and you let them in, it's really disappointing. It makes you feel like you have to put everyone out, do it all again with new people, and pay attention to what gave them away the first time but you didn't know yet.

Next time I'm gonna look for people "passionate" about what they do and "interested in making great projects".

Yes. This. Also things like ability (and motivation) to self-teach, ability (and desire) to work in teams, ability to work under pressure with strict deadlines (sometimes with little advanced notice) and willingness to work long, unconventional hours at times to meet these deadlines (I actually had a candidate tell me she doesn’t do well with firm deadlines), etc.

But on the other hand side. Why bother making other people rich?

@blockchaintacos, "ability to work under pressure with strict deadlines and willingness to work long, unconventional hours at times to meet these deadlines"

With my 20 years of experience, I would say this is a strong indication poor management and planning. So, in other words, job ads like this sound more like "we need someone qulified and dedicated, since we sure as shit aren't those!"

I work at corpo-like company, just one small cog in a bigger machine. Company is in the "we help you sell your products better" business. How am I supposed to be passionate about that? It is just a job with average pay and mostly boring stuff to do.

I sure am interested in doing great projects, but from my point of view there aren't any. Maybe if you are in management you see it differently, since you are a bit more invested in the company, but I will just change job when it goes under. I give 0 fucks, just tell me what to do, I will try and after 8h fuck off to do what I'm actually passionate about (my entertainment, duh).

@arraysstartat1 I've walked away from so many jobs because of this.

@blockchaintacos @thatDude if anyone has to work overtimes on a regularly base it's management's fault. But sometimes it's just because something fucked up badly and we all have to fix it.

@irene @thatDude @DataJockey I work on a cyber security incident response consulting team. Incidents are, by definition, unplanned events. So many people apply to work for us, but when we explain that holidays and weekends are not sacred, they run (and I don’t blame them). So we’re a little different breed. The week of Thanksgiving in the US (late November) through early January is often our busiest time.

We also have our own internal software we develop to automate more and more of what we do and we rotate through that as well when we have “down time”, and we have full-time devs dedicated to that. A lot of code gets written as hoc to help specific clients then later may be incorporated into our larger project.

I really enjoy my job, so do most of my colleagues. It’s very challenging, I get to see a lot of cool stuff — it’s just not for everyone. A lot of our hiring process is telling people why they *wouldn’t* want to work with us so they walk in with eyes wide open.