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wojtek322207811hOn a side note, I do wonder if the teacher of the class 'databases 1' has upgraded her computer away from Windows95
She used to type very fast but it was amusing that she had to wait half a minute till her text slowly appeared on the projected screen character by character. -
whimsical159311hIt's a big dilemma. Software development without AI is unthinkable soon. I mean, if it's not vibed, still the edits are done by it in my case. Don't want to go back, it's deep in system now. Also, using AI is a serious skill to develop as well. School could give an extra class on it, but how to find teachers? Ofcourse you should learn to do everything yourself as well, but I can imagine students not to be so motivated anymore. I have no idea what the school should do.
Something I'm worried about: did you know that the gpt users even lose money on their 200,- subscribers? What will this say for future? Will they develop cheaper operating models or do we really have to pay the price someday? -
Hazarth918211hThe only important thing is that you understand every line of code and the decision behind it.
The problem is blind usage of SO and AI, which you just copy. Even if you understand what it does. That doesn't mean it makes sense to code something that way, or that it fits the rest of the project, or that it's even functional code.
We had this requirement too. This was before AI was a thing, so this applied mostly to copying code or cheating. The way my prof. checked is that he interviewed everyone on their project and you had to be able not only to understand what the code does, but also why/why not different code or placement. He knew if you wrote it yourself because if you did the actual research you would likely land on something good, and even if your code was subpar you'd have strong opinions on why you did it that way.
He was a great teacher to me and he took it very seriously. He was one of those guys that would rather hear a bad answer than no answer at all. -
Hazarth918211h"vibe coders" tend to forget that sofrware engineering is an "engineering" job. The code itself isnt as important as the decisions made, the tools used, the flow executed, systems inpacted, users helped... There's a whole lot to our job than just writing code that works. Vibe coding is the antithesis to good design. Code that works isnt always the best code for It's purpose, deployment site, user interface etc...
That being said. If you find exactly the perfect code on stack overflow, or if you bash it out of a text generator, or hell, if you find it scribbled on a toilet stall and rewrite it character by character to your codebase, It's not going to change anything, because as I just said, the code itself is secondary to It's purpose and design. No one can stop you from copying a solution to save time if you would've writen the same one. Works smart, not hard always applies. Just make sure you know exactly what you're making -
PaperTrail1042521m>"Any proof that you are vibe coding or using AI tools would be an immediately failure of that class"
My daughter is dealing with this right now. Her papers have been flagged as being written by AI and she is at risk of academic probation/suspension (teachers have warned her) and 100% of the content came from her smart little brain. I just want to walk into the prof's office and smack 'em upside the head with a sea bass and say "Stop using whatever website you're using and start using your <bleep>ing brains!"
These classes have peer reviews (they read and critique each other's papers) and it took me 10 seconds to spot the AI copy+paste papers. Sooo frustrating.
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The college I went to has changed their rules regarding AI-assisted coding. Any proof that you are vibe coding or using AI tools would be an immediately failure of that class
I wonder how they detect that efficiently and without any errors.
They also had rules for not copy pasting code from stackoverflow, blogs or docs. I used to do that and add the link & tried to explain the code myself. But I never got feedback if that is good or not or if the professor did grade that part of the code or did not grade.
it makes sense for me that you want the students to actually learn. But is it also not important that students can use AI tools efficiently? Does the end user really care if your website is AI coded or not (not the content, but the actual website) as long as it works like you want. It's also important to stay upto date especially as a student. But at the same time, being stubborn and bashing your head on a problem till it works is a nice skill, sometimes AI can't solve it.
Also, the college does not offer computers and you have to buy one yourself. So they can't manage it. Even if they can do it, doesn't the average IT student have a very easy time to go around the block? I'm so glad I'm not in official education anymore lol
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