I hate Windows and I hate Dell.
Apple fucking extorts you but at least it fucking works. macOS works, great UI, unix-like, NO FUCKING INTRUSIVE UPDATES
Did your mac break? We'll replaced, no problem.

Fuck, some company should try to be serious competition to Apple. I'd love to see that day, but untill them I unfortunately have to come back to apple, again and again. Fucking shit.

Haha, nice joke man

Is your hate against Apple because of the cost of apple gear? (You use the word unfortunately). Windows will never be great because of Microsoft's unwillingness to modernise their OS from the core (beyond the aesthetic).

@helloworld well, my hate is towards the lack of competition (I think). Apple charges as much as it does because they have no serious competition (at what they do).

@grublle
What does Apple do that is so great? I can't really see it..

@Linux Well,

Let's start with Hardware and forget about the price. They're built with quality materials, designed to be compact and look great. Good customer service.

But what I like about macs is software. (Forget about open source for a second). Most of what you can do in a linux environment, you can do in macOS. It makes great of use the hardware, I have an 2012 mac mini I use to record music, has only 4gb of ram but I can edit, mix and master tracks without much hassle.
There's a lot of creative software support for macOS, which neither windows nor linux has.

Now, apple is a shitty company. It promotes planned obsolescence, is overpriced, has been making products harder and harder to upgrade. Has been neglecting its desktop line. Etc...

Windows is bad, let's not waste time discussing it. Linux is great, I use linux for most of my coding and browsing but no distro does what macOS does. [...]

@grublle
Good customer service? - no
Good hardware? - why the fuck do the solder the RAM, glue the batteries and only allow max 16GB of ram in the newest macbook pro?

hardware is shit, price is shit, the only thing apple is good at is promoting themselfes and take other companies/people ideas and make them "their own"

If someone use mac, I always hope that they are some kind of designer, because that is what mac is good for - and that is the only thing mac is good for.

And do not forget about this shit:
http://express.co.uk/news/uk/...

I fucking hate apple

And don't mention that they made the latest macbook dependent on 12315135125 dongles

@Linux There's no good software other than developer's tools. Linux is not an option if you're doing creative work.
If you're an average user you want your computer to just work. No tweaking, no need to open a terminal window. That macOS does well.

I believe that if some manufacturer was willing to make good quality hardware, develop a distro for it to rival macOS, they'd be able to. No one does it though.

@Linux I hate apple too. But it's better for creative work and smoother to the average user.
That's 'why' I say there's no real alternative.

I really wish there were.

@grublle
I am really satisfied with my Thinkpad
The hardware is great - its a beast
Quality is awesome
Drivers for both windows and linux works very well,

@Linux Again, I dislike the company, their business model.

@grublle
OSX is only good for creative work - that is why it I do not use it :P

@grublle you are literally arguing with @Linux 😋. Interesting convo ;)

@Linux Drivers............ [shivers]

I have to agree with the OP. For the average user, there is very little competition.

I have both a Dell and a Mac, almost the same age. While the Mac has been running somewhat smoothly, the Dell has requested 1000 Windows updates (that start while I'm watching something, mind you), plus driver updates from Dell itself (which by the way, I had to install another piece of software to be reminded of; and I only found out about this because the wifi and Bluetooth module was not working, which in turn made it really hard to download said software), a fingerprint scanner that works 30% of the time, a screen that's slowly dying, no SSD, poor battery life....

You want 8GB more ram? That will be $160 please. Would you like to finance your ram upgrade?

Apple Mac - Its a marriage of hardware and software enclosed in cutting edge industrial design. I have owned and used macs in a professional capacity for over 25 years. Admittedly I am from a graphic design background which may taint my opinion, which is, I fucking love them. I also know that the high price is compensated for in the reliability. They just run and run.