Yes, 'cuz lightning is a better innovation over type-c. No wait, it is so not. Apple did move to type-c on ipads and macs ditching their own magsafe and lightning.

Fuck Apple's innonovation.

😒😤😤😤 .

Why did they ever move away from the magnetic charging cable? I loved that thing.

The problem is real but this is a shitty solution, there's so much room for improvement in USB and standardising it now would massively hinder innovation.

You set a standard when you can assert that there will likely be no drastic innovation in the tech in question any time soon.

@lbfalvy the standard would probably call for the change of port every 4-5 years and the new version would get implemented for the next 4-5 years. It will be much better than usb c gen 1, 2.1 ,3.1, 3.2, blah blah.

@Root you can still get those from a third party 🤔 and for all the ports

Whenever Apple says "innovation", what they mean is "proprietary, overpriced shit for making even more money from gullible victims who buy Apple's proprietary, overpriced junk in the first place."

I’m waiting for regulation that will allow selling and wearing only one type of pants.
Fuck socialists and facists.

This low effort baiting… go to 9gag please.

@RocketSurgeon usb-C costs £10-15 for a connector and it still breaks in a couple years when exposed to normal pocket dirt. I would not call that a good connector.

@RocketSurgeon Especially since I don't really ever use its superior bandwidth, what with high speed wifi and Bonjour.

Honestly, I can't imagine any step in a normal workflow that would require type-C speeds. On the other hand, the connectors on a smartphone should not be susceptible to damage from dirt. At all.

@Fast-Nop they mean marketing innovation, not technical innovation

@lbfalvy
Using your phone in a dock as a desktop will probably mainstream a few years from now.

Then the single type-C connector may need to be able to feed one or two 4k monitors, one or two external SSDs, a gigabit Ethernet port, a keyboard and a mouse.
Not that hard to imagine...

P.S.:
Farnell lists the connectors for 2 £ per piece (cheaper when buying more):
https://uk.farnell.com/molex/...

@molaram
I believe that smartphones are actually almost there right now.

Even cheap ones have enough computing power for common office work and browsing already.
What is still missing, is the software support for a proper desktop mode. Neither Android, nor iOS are ready for that.
And Microsoft gave up the entire smartphone market at the slightest sign of resistance when they already had it almost completely done...

If M$ would have had just a bit more stamina, they would probably now own that new niche, where you just have a smartphone and when you need a bigger screen, you dock it into a surface-like tablet case or a traditional docking station for the full desktop experience.

@Oktokolo yup. Unfortunately MS kills stuff when it’s getting good enough to become awesome. And it keeps crappy stuff alive for ages when they should let it die.

@lbfalvy

The EU law requires that devices move to a USB type C charging port now...

...AND That the USB Implementers Forum (which includes Apple, Microsoft, Intel, HP, etc) will be in charge of moving innovation forward and submitting extensions to the law.

In other words:

It means that any future USB type D (etc) connector would be welcomed -- But not an Apple iPlug or a Microsoft Bingport.

It also states that Wireless charging remains unregulated, but may be regulated in the future if too many incompatible standards arise -- Signalling to manufacturers that they should cooperate on the development of one open wireless charging method.

@lbfalvy sure the cable head does not get dirt-stuck but the connectors in both of them can get dirtier than your avg. milf in your area.

@melezorus34
Not sure about your pants - but in the pockets of my pants, the USB port stays clean.

@Oktokolo get a water resistant pants and wash all your troubles* away.

@Oktokolo there's already Samsung dex, and it has alternatives too. But the thing is, it's almost always more convenient to have a separate computer always connected to the peripherals. You would need that to change for the phone desktop to become a common use case.

While writing that argument, I noticed that it's already common to carry laptops around and leave the peripherals on the desk alone. That's another setup you need to combat.

@electrineer
With wireless headphones/mic, docking the phone and using it as a desktop looks pretty convenient to me - you have to charge it anyway and it is already booted. Don't even need to sync stuff around anymore (still need to do backups though).

For the laptop use, there could be laptop-like docks for the phone, so you can use it like a leaptop while traveling.
But folding phones will likely kill the classic laptop anyways...

Just using one device for everything is super convenient - if the software properly supports the different screen sizes and input devices.
Microsoft was almost there before they just gave up in front of the finish line.

@Oktokolo Microsoft gave up because they had it completely backwards. They are a one trick pony, and their only trick is to abuse their desktop monopoly as leverage. The idea to actually come up with something that is good on its own wouldn't ever cross their minds.

That's how they tried to push Windows phone, and it failed miserably because nobody had been waiting for Windows and MS Office in the smartphone world. The only outcome was a shitty PC Windows UI with Windows 8.

They're failing just as hard with their half-assed ARM devices and Windows on ARM where there's no reason at all to buy this crap.

@Fast-Nop don't forget that when MS does sth first, Apple will success on it and make a trend on it too

a.k.a. thanks to ms we have apple m1 lol

@melezorus34 I don't think it was MS that gave Apple the idea. In fact, Apple had been planning that for a long time, and unlike MS, Apple didn't just slap in some COTS ARM junk and called it a day.

You see, Apple's M1 has some hardware features not commonly found in ARMs, such as memory ordering being configurable to be either weak as on ARM or strong as on x86. That's one of the prerequisites to get Rosetta2 working as translator instead of an emulator.

Apple also killed off 32 bit apps back with Catalina so that their ARM transition would be easier - that's how they got away with not even implementing AARCH32 in the M1.

As much as I hate Apple, but their strategic planning was on point, I'll give them that.

@Oktokolo there are already many options available for those laptop-type docks.

The thing is that it's usually more convenient to have separate devices. If you had a desktop or a laptop that you could either use as separate devices or connect your phone to, would you actually prefer to use the phone? I would rather keep my phone in my pocket.

The only case where I see it useful is when I don't own/trust the other device. In that case, I would very much prefer to dock my phone to the peripherals.

@electrineer
I am actually currently sharing a single SSD with multiple desktops, so i don't ever need to sync data between them. I just boot my Gentoo and i get the same OS and data on both machines.
I would happily replace that disk with a general purpose compute module also usable as a smartphone, that i can just dock to local peripherals.

I could then ditch my current smartphone and replace the two desktops with docking stations.
I don't see a benefit from even wearing my pants at home - so why would i want my phone sitting in one of their pockets?
If i would want to take the compute unit with me, i could just do so and it would instantly adapt to mobile use.

Smartphone, tablet, laptop, desktop - that all are just form factors tied to different modes of use.
If the smallest one is capable of packing the required compute power and storage (1 TiB is enough for me) and the OS and applications support all the modes - i am happy to only have one computer instead of three.

They’ll find another way to lock people in then skank them, count on it

@Root They didnt! Magsafe returned with the latest macbook.