In every new job, you get this painful realization: "Oh God! I work with a bunch of morons!!"

no you don’t

Yes.

I’ve had maybe one job where I had some non-moron coworkers.

If this is happening in *every* new job it may be time for some introspection and finding out what the common denominator of this frustration is.

@ComputerToucher Humans.

The reality is just that, even if your own intelligence is average, about half of the people you work with will always be morons from your POV.

Usually more, because even a developer with an average intelligence (for a dev) will regularly have to deal with departments/roles where the bell curve peaks significantly lower.

At least, that's my experience.

Out of the 10 devs I work closely with, about 5 are total morons.

Managers... About 1 in 10 seems to gracefully carry themselves in a conversation.

Sales... Chimpansees in suits, considering the noises they make at the office when a deal is closed.

It only takes one letter to make it a whole lot worse.

@cmarshall10450 Boron is good for the body, in proper doses.

@ComputerToucher boron deficiency causes all sorts of problems including joint pain. Most boron has been removed from the food supply. Safe boron sources have been illegalized all around the world. But boron containing substances are plentiful in high priced caviar. The same substances that are illegal in those same countries. Rules for thee, but not for me.

All this to sell pain reliever for joint pain.

Maybe it helps, that your coworkers are probably thinking the same.

But apart from that: Yes, the botch is strong in a lot of them...

There is no way to say this without sounding egotistical.

About 15% of the devs I’ve worked with have been decently intelligent. 5% or less (likely closer to 2%) have been higher on the bell curve. I can remember two devs I was amazed by (Rage and Novo, if either of you are reading this), though I’m sure I’d have a few more to list had I gotten to work more closely with some.

I’ve had one manager that was decent, and that’s likely because he started out as a dev, and only reluctantly took on a managerial (CTO) role.

Pretty much everyone else I’ve worked with? Painfully dim.

@Root I cannot work with you. I am feeling unsure in my ability and I don't think I want to know where I rate on the "Root Scale". Yes, we will forever remind you of your own rating system.

I think it really depends on the culture which can really make people more aware of duties to deliver quality work, but yeah there always gonna some dumb fucks that by some unholy miracle manage to keep their job even though they fuck up repeatedly.

For many people, I cannot say for sure they are dumb or put to work in unfortunate circumstances because I have not seen their work... but yeah if you created a python script that calls a batch script that is used to init a java dependency to be used in jUnit you are on my shit list.

@Demolishun I’m not that judgmental, at least I don’t think so. But when practically every dev I’ve ever worked with — including the accepted “most skilled devs” at practically every employer I’ve ever worked for — all wrote trashy spaghetti code littered with senseless O(n^2)’s and countless security holes, and they all either shrug them off or argue when I bring them up in code review, it’s kinda hard to respect them.

@Nanos They’re NPCs. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Root Oblivion...oblivious npcs.

The "Oblivion NPC" vids on youtube are hilarious btw. People acting as shallow as NPCs.

@Demolishun My fiancé and I did that last night for fun. We were walking into the side of doors, each other, etc. completely oblivious we weren’t moving, having NPC conversations, etc. Bethesda moment :)

@Nanos You won The Game.

I do that every day.

But instead I just look in the mirror before starting each day.

Omg, I work with a moron!

Imagine how the other guy feels.

@Nanos Humility is good for three reasons:

To remind us theres always someone better, and to learn from them whenever possible.

To remind us not to take ourselves too seriously.

And to remind us to continue improving and learning.

The downside is sometimes its hard to see when progress is being made.

I also think it is a symptom of all of us who graduated in the 2007-2009 environment. You end up pinning your self-worth to the markets that told you for years that you weren't worth anything to begin with.

But the best way to fight that, isn't to resist it. It's to stay humble and keep working.