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@Hazarth I didn't take his word for granted. And I realise if companies wanna end WFH they will end it regardless of how people are performing. Boomers do what they want.
But I've never heard private companies hires behaving this way. That's the part im mostly surprised about. In my company even 10% of this behaviour wouldn't be tolerated and you'd be fired on the spot. -
@Demolishun You may look up TCS net worth my guy. It's a $170 billion company
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IMHO that's the dystopia that upper management preaches for reasons I don't want to elaborate on...
Employees sign a legally binding document called a contract.
The contract establishes both the rights and responsibilities of the two parties: the employee and the company.
There is no "magic unicorn I just decide whatever the fuck I'm gonna do" possibility here.
Either an employee fulfills their contract or they suffer the consequences.
... and the consequences are dependent on the country pretty severe. Immediate termination of contract for example.
Or suing the employee for violation of the contract... Et cetera et cetera. -
@IntrusionCM This sounds like the shit people left Europe to avoid 200 years ago.
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@Demolishun not sure what you mean....
That the US law is better than the EU law regarding employee rights?
If yes... Nope. -
@IntrusionCM sounds like indentured servitude with the contract.
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@IntrusionCM I didn't sign anything when I hired this job.
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@Demolishun
You didn't sign any contract and you work for a company...
That's imho close to impossible... I don't know what country you're living in, but that sounds dystopian:
As I said - the contract establishes BOTH of the parties rights, employees and company.
I just gave the example to show how profound dumb it is for *upper management* to spin this dystopia, cause upper management is involved in the contract making process. :)
It would be new to me that any country allows an employer to hire an employee without a contract... Cause that's slavery -
And now a bit longer version.
https://ec.europa.eu/social/...
The EU defines a *minimum* set of laws that must be fulfilled by any EU country.
Any country can implement further laws as long as they provide higher levels of protection for the employee. Thus, an EU country cannot *weaken* the minimum standard set.
In US, the most common form of job employment is at will.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
It's simply saying: You're hired... You can be fired by the employer or quit without any further notice. No contract needed Plus an ever growing rug rag of exceptions... -
@IntrusionCM I think they might have not signed an NDA. Not sure.
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@IntrusionCM I know a lawyer who worked for two years with no contract...
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@Demolishun its real
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Companies this big in size fearing that employees go uncontrolled is expected. They magically thought full WFH during lockdown would boost the overall productivity and they now magically think it is going down once it is over
There is a benefit with working from Office especially when someone is new to the team and/or company where things don't seem clear in the beginning. Having those in-person meetings along with the whiteboard brainstorming and what-not do help to some extent. Beyond that it is entirely up to the employee. If they want to put efforts and be productive, they will no matter the location -
@Demolishun there are some shitty jobs in europe too that try to avoid making a formal contract. Rest assured, it's the employee who gets screwed in those cases.
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@electrineer
Depends on the country and the status of unions. My friend is now on a track to get some major backpay because the salary was too low even though formally there is no minimum wage. -
@Demolishun "knockers doctors -- you tease em, we squeeze em."
Today I talked to a cousin who works in Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) and he told me precisely why companies like Infosys, TCS and Wipro are moving towards ending WFH and mandating working from office.
He told me that post-COVID hires are treating these software jobs so casually, that they don't ask for leaves. They decide, on their own, when they want to take leave(s) without telling their team members.
They don't pick up phone calls when someone from upper management tries to reach out and they magically show up 3-4 days later. They don't value deadlines.
He told me that these companies do see the benefit of letting people work from home, but the new generation hires are creating a joke out of these positions and are taking blatant advantage of the situation. So they are forced to mandate working from office.
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