Fingerprint sensor is insecure

-gf can open your phone when you are asleep
-same with chloroform, unconscious, then use fingers
-can cut your fingers if it leads to that.

Fine I agree....but how secure is the face ID ??

-all of the same points can be applied to it.

Physically getting into peoples phones like serial killers.

I guess passwords are still the securest type of security

If someone wanted to cut my face, my phone's security would not be my main concern. Just saying.

I think they said it requires your attention. So no more sleep unlocking.

Um, modern fingerprint sensors won't work if you cut off a finger because they rely on conductivity which is dependent on blood.

I use the fingerprint for most things that would require a password like play store purchases, unlocking the phone or banking, cause I seriously doubt that someone steals my phone and it's off my finger.

Face though...they can quickly grab it and hold it a couple of feet away from me and it's unlocked. I don't like that.

I don't get it. What was wrong with the traditional typing-your-password? Why all this drama? So you can be even lazier and wouldn't have to type it?

Also sidenote: people don't really care about security to that extent you guys explain here. Most of us have small secrets. In an average guy's life, at most, a husband might be cheating his wife. Or a son might be hiding the fact that he has a girlfriend. Its no national security issue. Whatever lock you put is to keep yourself private from those nearby.

In these cases, advanced security systems are not really required imo. Unless you are into some high level, national security threatening shit, your fingers are probably not gonna be cut to unlock a phone. Nor your face.

But still, face recognition is still a weird way. If the software is as good as they say it is, I could grab any photo of you and show it to your phone to gain access.

Fingerprint sensors require the fingerprints. Unconscious people = freely available fingers. Secure? no, but at least requires your physical presence. (Though you could possibly bypass this with flour/powdered sugar and cheap tape...)

However, facial recognition absolutely doesn't require your actual face. A high-res picture would very likely be enough. Secure? Hell fucking no.

@World Your comment basically boils down to "Security doesn't matter if you don't have anything [important] to hide" -- which is an incredibly scary stance.

And here's why: It's you willingly giving up your right to privacy "because it isn't important." Think for a minute how scary that is. and what else it leads to.

Besides: If you're cavalier with your security, anyone can look through your data. It would be trivial to masquerade as you. See: identity theft.

(Cue a political turn)

Or, if instead you're okay with the State (government, etc.) having access to your information... well, that road is a highway to a police state. Remember that quote "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime"? It means that basically everyone is guilty of something (and with the gigantic number of laws, that's totally realistic). Therefore, if the State has access to your information, they can find something to hold against you, and they can do so completely on a whim.

Security. matters.

You have a fair point @Ashkin. I agree. But the average person doesn't know this. They don't have super confidential info to hide. So they basically don't care.

I don't mean you give up your right to privacy. Of course you require a level of security on your device. But I don't think it has to go that far. I'm not saying one should let anyone access his/her data. But I also believe its a little bit of a stretch to be totally paranoid.

But Apple says its the cool thing.. so shut it and line up </sarcasm>

"No One" can get into any iPhoneX now! #GoT #iPhoneX

@World If you go that way then security will fade away pretty fast I think. I think high security should be no less than a standard.

On this subject though, my biggest concern with biometric authentication i that you can't just change it. Get hacked? Please change your fingers.

@World Its not about whether someone knows this (what @Ashkin said), it's a thing that's a real problem, whether you know it exists/care or not.

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@World And that's exactly the reason why I only try to use privacy friendly services and nothing relating to the big data hogging companies :)

I am quite lazy to type in a password but it is useful to have the fingerprint entry so I don't accidentally call people from my pocket

@Askin Hello fellow Signaller 😊

Also face id is way more complicated to create and has a greater chance of unlocking your phone. Also who wants to send a billion selfies to apple?

People do have sensitive details on their phones these days. Payment info, card details, etc. An idea I float in my mind when dealing with people is that they use their phone for the same things we use our PCs for, including the sensitive things.

By the way, Apples Face ID won't work with a Image of your face, because Face ID depends on the 3D Model of your face, and on your body heat, and some more. And if your eyes are closed (maybe if you are sleeping) it also won't work

My 2cents.
Face ID feels like overkill. Yes, as a tech, it's amazing. But for a regular user's phone, nope nope. For security, I'd choose a complicated password anyday. The fingerprint scanner was meant to serve as a secure and quick way to unlock your phone (emphasis on quick). I agree good security should be a standard and I always prefer services that value by privacy. But for a regular user, no one's gonna cut his finger off or kidnap him to unlock his phone. Fingerprint does the job well for such people. And if you have huge and dark secrets on your phone, you might want to reconsider how to use your phone or get a security decided device .

@Ashkin I swear i heard a term called Depth sensing . High res images dont have depth.. Maybe a hologram ..

So instead of cutting off your finger while you sleep, someone might depth-scan your face and duplicate you with a 3D printer to unlock your phone.

Sounds like a solid plot for a movie, would watch!

You need to pay attention, aka “Attention Awareness” to the phone which means if you sleep nobody could enter your Face ID protected phone.

@hawkes They may as well take samples from the target's body and invest crores in cloning the target .So that he will have a person who ll be able to unlock the phone in some years ..

@spneshaei Cloning technique actually makes mockery of this technique .. Or even better he can learn transformation jutsu to transform into the person.. Material for anime ...