The issue is already in the name. We were supposed to write scripts (!) with it, not fully blown applications. The cancer that grew ontop of JS is mind-blowing. Back then it was just you and the JS between two script tags, now you need to know a gazillion of webpacks and linters and frameworks and Ecmascripts and build targets and runtimes !

@retoor yeah, I need to migrate a .NET codebase making API calls via SOAP. Tons of templates, weird signing with antiquated certificates, etc.. End of the story: What takes me 30 seconds and 10 lines with a rest API, it took me 2 weeks and tons of AI to analyse how to make one request.

@antigermgerm the predecessor of REST

@Lensflare sure, if you plan to work with it for a longer time. But for someone who just needs to build one application and never touch C hashtag again, it's hell. After a day of installing stuff, I came to the conclusion I had to take my wife's x86_64 notebook, because of old dependencies, and do the same procedure there again.

@donkulator less effort to install and get something rolling took me Rust, NodeJS, Haskell.

@donkulator with zero I mean a normal software engineer's computer whose only Microsoft code it has ever seen was Office and Excel.

@kiki *sigh* It's not like I don't understand it or can't get shit done properly, I just hate it. And if it wouldn't suck, we wouldn't have all these layer 2 or 3 solutions like SCSS or Tailwind, Semantic UI, etc.

And yes, every browser cooking their own soup really doesn't help.

...because for the super smartass who built this, everyone else is just stupid. Welcome to the linux world ;)

Warcraft 3 Reforged menu is/was an electron app, google that one.

@spongessuck It's on my list certainly

@Ranchonyx @AlgoRythm

I have an electron app, which to build for Win,or Linux/MacOS have different dependencies, which can neither be installed at the same time nor from all OS.

So if you want to quickly try out the App you've coded on Mac on Win in a VM, you need to PR your changes into a windows branch, pull inside WIndows, and then run it. For building, you can / have to use docker/CI pipeline.

One of the worst things NPM ever did was allow packages with binaries that have INSTALL-TIME OS-dependencies. Hell, why can't I just put all the Deps I need for ANY OS in there, and everyone just takes what they need? NO, I NEED TO INSTALL THE WIN DEP INSIDE WINDOWS for the builder to work, wtf ?!

Repeat after me: It's not worth it, man. I have one life, only. It's not worth it.

@lorentz well, frankly, Erlang didn't get the attention and TLC it deserved. I guess Java BS stole the show unfortunately. Erlang was 30 Years early to the game. We would need it now, but people are stuck with other approaches.

@lungdart I like the idea behind postman, but man, sometimes the way how un-streamlined the whole UI is you can get fucking lost, even though have been using that thing for ages already. Wrong blabla-space set, accidentally? Good look guessing what was wrong.

@ostream

Not saying typings per se are bad. It's this MS bs that's the issue. And it's like @AvatarOfKane said - we tried turning some scripting language to a fully fledged strongly typed Programming language.