A question for the people who say Macs are superior...

WHAT THE FUCK

I'm wrestling this iOS signing issue for the fourth day. How the fuck do people manage to build anything using tools broken by design and sold to them for the price of their mother.

When you don’t get the difference between a mac and a very specific software that is written for it…

@Lensflare in unix there's basically no difference. It's all coming from the same vendor

@netikras even if it’s from the same vendor, there is still a huge difference.

Macs are expensive but good. Macos is superior to Windows.
Macs can have software written for them that is garbage.

@Lensflare I am sorry, but after the last few days I'd rather say "Macs can have software written for them that is proper", not the other way around.

a genuine question: how do you people debug anything in macos....?

- dtrace/strace blocked by SIP

- proprietary commands provide shitty explanation of errors

- errors are undocumented (how is this UNIX...? Look at the AIX's approach - they've done outstanding work there!!) [Unknown Error: -2,147,409,850 when generating CSR with xcode]

- using legacy protocols (only supports .p12 containers created with the `--legacy` option)

- etc.

Is this the case of walking through glass and fire for years until you develop "the hunch"? So far I've been working with long-time iOS devs and they still base their troubleshooting on pure guesswork. Is this the apple way....?

and now I've just wasted ~2 hours debugging why the fuck git stopped working. `git fetch` just sits there. Trace shows all the right requests UNTIL it's time to actually start fetching data.

It started working the moment I logged out from the GUI session......

I know people often exaggerate this, but I'm certain that if I end up in hell, I'll be forced to use MacOS. It is the ultimate torture to me, as a software engineer.

it has the looks of a decent Linux/UNIX OS, but it just doesn't work that way. And it doesn't tell you why.

@netikras signing and distribution is honestly a major PITA.
But the actual development in Xcode (in Swift or even Objective-C) is flawless.
For debugging you use Xcode and every error is documented.

I'm a Linux guy but forced to use mac at work. It's annoying, but thank God it's not Windows.

bash-5.2$ brew install ca-certificates

<...>

bash-5.2$ ls -l /opt/homebrew/etc/ca-certificates/cacert.pem

lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 80 Apr 5 15:13 /opt/homebrew/etc/ca-certificates/cacert.pem -> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/ca-certificates/2024-03-11/share/ca-certificates/cacert.pem

bash-5.2$ ls -l /opt/homebrew/Cellar/ca-certificates

total 0

drwxr-xr-x 6 ec2-user admin 192 Aug 29 12:01 2024-07-02

bash-5.2$

.....

@Lensflare Apple have a terrible engineering culture.

They are more like a cult really. My time there was fucking weird. They would drink with each other, live between themselves, fuck each other, hang out with their friends from other services, get intimidated by the big shot while spying on people,... Fucking dystopic

@mostr4am I don’t care what you have experienced when you were working for the Apple Support or whatever. It doesn’t matter.

From my decades of experience, compared to Google and Microsoft, Apple has the best developer experience by far.

@Lensflare I mean if you like to have some french idiotin an office in ireland listening to you jerking off, be my guest hihi

No kink shaming

@Lensflare and yes ofc they are slightly better than microsoft or (AHAHAHAH) google.

Sid's mother costs same as Android devices

The hardware of Macs is top notch, superior without a doubt.
Software is a hit and miss for me, mostly miss, so I try not to leave the terminal or the browser too much.

My FrankenDebian LXDE on T470 is great. But this on Apple’s hardware would be perfect.

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Stay away from Windows.

if you charge people a lot of money you trick them psychologically into thinking you're quality

that's Apple's legacy

@-red this exactly

@jestdotty if you charge people less money you trick them psychologically into thinking you are a good deal.

that’s Google's legacy

@Lensflare pixels are in the same price range as iphone.

I know how much an iphone really cost lmao you're getting scammed. Openly. I remember having townhall where they bragged about making more money out of repair than selling actual products. It was in the middle of the breaking update scandal and I had to lie to the customers to send them to the repairshop.

@mostr4am I read that story multiple times from you already 🙂
Nothing of it has anything to do with how the price relates to the quality.
It’s just an anecdote about how shitty you find Apple.
I agree it’s shitty. But again, nothing to do with price/quality.

@Lensflare you are right. Still though, it's pretty shit